From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Apr 13 22: 6:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from 001101.zer0.org (notabene.zer0.org [206.24.105.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF4115494 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:06:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@001101.zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by 001101.zer0.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id WAA84926; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:03:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:03:57 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Brett Glass Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Charles Henrich a Star? Message-ID: <19990413220357.D63380@001101.zer0.org> References: <61307.924046009@zippy.cdrom.com> <4.2.0.32.19990413175507.04df8100@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.32.19990413175507.04df8100@localhost>; from Brett Glass on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 05:56:14PM -0600 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 05:56:14PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > My kind of PR is EFFECTIVE PR. Your PR, which has burdened FreeBSD > for many years, has set the OS so far behind Linux in market share > and visibility that it may never catch up. Brett, I think we all liked it better after you said this: >After pondering, silently, what to do about the attitudes I've seen >expressed on this list, I've decided that I'd best save my time, >bandwidth, and effort by resigning from it. Unfortunately, that only lasted about two weeks, and now you're back. And guess what? A nasty argument, that you somehow seem to be involved in, has sprung up under the subject header of a very positive FreeBSD event. Now, of course we have nasty arguments without you, but somehow the participants in those arguments seem to be logical and rational, or at least know when to stop arguing. Let me give you some unsolicited advice: if you don't like the way FreeBSD advocacy is done, if you don't like someone's methodology or philosophy, _do_ _something_ _yourself_. If people don't agree with you, you will not get support. If they do agree, you will get support. And if people _consistently_ fail to support your actions, maybe you had better reevaluate your desire to participate in the project, rather than finding a superior one (or at least one which matches your goals better). Any way you look at it, though, constant whining about people who have done more good for the project than you likely will ever do will _not_ get you very far, and will likely turn people _away_ from supporting your ideas, whether they agree or disagree with them. HTH. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter The best way to accelerate Windows mailto:gsutter@pobox.com is at 9.8 m/s^2. http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message