From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 05:08:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA22910 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 15 Feb 1997 05:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA22884 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 1997 05:07:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702151307.FAA22884@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA264122068; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 00:07:48 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: Sun Workshop compiler vs. GCC? To: patrick@xinside.com Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 00:07:48 +1100 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199702132216.PAA02367@chon.xinside.com> from "Patrick Giagnocavo" at Feb 13, 97 03:16:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from Patrick Giagnocavo, sie said: [...] > I tried to get Solaris x86 up on two different machines. No go. Can > however install Linux FreeBSD etc. on these systems no problem. [...] > Solaris won't capture the market, because they don't have a good > installation program. Maybe this isn't a very technical problem, but > it is a very real consideration when dealing with people who are just > trying to get things to work... I'd plunk down the money for Solaris > x86 if it would install easier - but it doesn't. Well, I've installed each of Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD and Solaris. I rate the installation procedures as follows: 1. Solaris 2. FreeBSD 3. Linux (and a long way behind...) 4. NetBSD I installed on a standard clone, no special cards, etc. Solaris was by far the easiest, well, maybe the disk partitioning is a bit confusing. If I was a user, I'd also like the Solaris boot the best, too. A lot of people here will disagree with me, perhaps, but when I look at the bootup screen for Solaris2, I see a finish built for users who don't know or care about hardware details etc (makes FreeBSD and others look like "hacks"). If I could, I'd advocate that the free unixes have a similar quiet boot as default and a "verbose" option to see all the junk messages about detecting disks, etc. I see the same with NT4.0 (there is a way to get a "verbose" boot). Hack, on a fast PC, those boot messages disappear too quickly to digest anyway! "Hi, I don't know anything about computers except that I want it to work. I don't want to be confused." Darren