From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 18:47:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FFF16A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:47:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED6143D58 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:47:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (qmail 26898 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 18:47:15 -0000 Received: from gate.funkthat.com (HELO hydrogen.funkthat.com) ([69.17.45.168]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Dec 2004 18:47:15 -0000 Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (mhmdaz@localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1])iBSIlEGH015363; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:47:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id iBSIlCI4015359; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:47:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:47:12 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" Message-ID: <20041228184712.GN19624@funkthat.com> References: <20041223112731.GA32750@ninja.terrabionic.com> <2d7d2dd2041223035969e056d8@mail.gmail.com> <41D0AF75.6040500@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41D0AF75.6040500@401.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org cc: Simon Burke cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:47:16 -0000 Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote this message on Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 01:57 +0100: > >Aesthetics are not everything, the web site does what its supposed to > >do. Also i actually like how it looks. > >A lot of people have strong feelings about all these all singing all > >dancing webistes. There is just no need. Keep it simple and easy to > >navigate around thats all thats really important. If the aesthetics > >really matter more than function to such people who use BSD then they > >would probably be not using BSD but either windows or linux, where you > >have a nice pretty GUI to look at all the nice pretty sites. > > This is where I think a lot of people simply does not understand the > problem. > Im a FreeBSD user. I like FreeBSD because it does not have all the > flashy installers and pretty GUI's that many linux distros seems to > have today. But still, Ive been screaming for years for someone to > improve the website. Why? > Anyone that has stood in front of a boardroom full of CEO's or similar > and tried to promote the use of FreeBSD in a big organisation knows > why. They might like all the facts about the os, the rock-solid > stability, the lightning-fast performance and its solid reputation as > a server os, but one look at the website and they will run screaming > towards the nearest linux advocate instead. > We, the users, might not care about our image, but if we want to be > taken seriously by the rest of the world we better do something about it! > > [snip] > >>4. There should be some kind of FreeBSD business card and letterhead > >> available to all that support this project. > > > > > >I have to ask why? why would people need such things? that i just dont > >understand > > Clearly, you have not tried to "sell" FreeBSD to a big corporation. Then we should create a website www.freebsdforcxo.com and use that. The problem is that the base FreeBSD.org website should remain as it is. It is targeted to technical people who might not be running a GUI web browser and want quick access to information. Making it more pretty to sell, while destroying the usability for 99% of the audience is not a solution. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."