From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 17:05:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C815E1065694 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jnatola@familycareintl.org) Received: from mail.familycareintl.org (static-64-61-120-78.isp.broadviewnet.net [64.61.120.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812108FC1B for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jnatola@familycareintl.org) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:05:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3A85D7EF44E1C744BF6434691F5659E9015E417E@www.fcimail.org> In-Reply-To: <20090219165942.GA8883@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: desktop app/config Thread-Index: AcmSs7uq4bagHGXXT4qbETnrQ3q8pgAACpMQ From: "Jean-Paul Natola" To: "Jerry McAllister" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: desktop app/config X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:05:39 -0000 I think we went off track a bit- I do know freebsd- my mail filter is a FreeBSD with clam exim and sa- but I NEVER use the gui's - I want to = setup some "recycled" machines with bsd and a gui that will be easy for a user = to grasp- I have mac users and pc users here- But thanks for all the tips- I currently use ee for editing=20 -----Original Message----- From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:jerrymc@msu.edu]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:00 PM To: Jean-Paul Natola Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: desktop app/config On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500, Jean-Paul Natola wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the = library > running FreeBSD-=20 >=20 > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what = config do I > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will = automatically > launch the desktop gui The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest = FreeBSD (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE, update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_7_1 so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will = have graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree. Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice, although you may want to install Openoffice from a binary package rather than from ports. Openoffice is very big and building it can be daunting for a newbie. Some other good candidates might be Apache and Perl and maybe a couple of games for fun. Then, just start using it. Learn to find things you need on the = system. =20 and configure the network securely. There is lots of documentation in the FreeBSD Handbook and other places online. The more you do it, the more they make sense. One thing to learn is using the vi(1) text editor. There are many other editors, but for system management, vi is the omnipresent, = ubiquitious one. It is sometimes the only one available in times when bad things are happening. It feels rather clunky when you first start to use it but it quickly becomes second nature. The FreeBSD man page is pretty good on it. I have a web page that simplifies it a little at: =20 =20 http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/ =20 There are a number of books available that help learning FreeBSD. "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "Absolute BSD" are a couple of them The FreeBSD Handbook which is online at the FreeBSD web site and is installed if you want it when FreeBSD is installed is quite good. The FreeBSD site also has other documents and links listed. At first, it will seem a little strange. Generally FreeBSD is command oriented, not pointy/clicky oriented. That is a much more powerful way to administer a system, but it takes more initial learning. Ask questions. People on the list have already heard all the common complaints and gripes that FreeBSD is not like MS-Win dozens of times. The usual response is "Thank God" or something similar. Anyway, they are not interested in hearing whines again. But, if you have a real question about 'how to do' something or even 'why is it done this way' and not just grousing, people on the list are usually very good about giving answers. List people are very interested in helping people=20 learn, but not interested in people complaining. =20 If it is a bug, post a pr. If it is a feature request, remember that=20 FreeBSD is created and maintained by volunteers - very smart ones - but=20 they have limits on time and resources so your request may take a very=20 long time to get attention. You may well learn how to do it yourself=20 and then submit it as an improvement before then. Good luck and have fun. ////jerry =20 =20 >=20 > thanx > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20