From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 11:43:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5506A9D8; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (mx1.sbone.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:3ffc::401:25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.sbone.de", Issuer "SBone.DE" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 078F7961; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3928125D388C; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C81F6C770D8; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:42:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id noVUGNh3OCde; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:4420:cabc:c8ff:fe8b:4fe6] (orange-tun0-ula.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:4420:cabc:c8ff:fe8b:4fe6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 17AE1C77042; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: RFC: Enabling VIMAGE in GENERIC From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" In-Reply-To: <5469D9E1.2060400@digiware.nl> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:42:42 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1423616F-F44D-47E5-8595-DE862DC04464@bsdimp.com> <5469D9E1.2060400@digiware.nl> To: Willem Jan Withagen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: Craig Rodrigues , FreeBSD Net , "freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org" , freebsd-arch X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:43:02 -0000 On 17 Nov 2014, at 11:20 , Willem Jan Withagen wrote: > I think I understand your critique, but then on the other hand I = wonder > where the reluctance is.... As I read it, things are going to be = enabled > in CURRENT only (for the time). Which is exactly for the reasons you > worry about: Is it going to be reliable enough?? No, the answer to that still is =93no=94 in it=92s current state and we = know that. I think one of the main problems is that no one has been able to pull = the thing to the end in the last three years. Why should it happen within 6 = weeks now? I think it would be a really good idea to do that but the current TODO = list, I think, is by far not sufficing. There=92s a second problem we=92ll hit in that same timeframe: general = network stack breakage; we=92ll hit the times when we=92ll not be sure if = things broke because of VIMAGE or are also broken in the normal network stack. = There=92ll be a lot of regression test writing and debugging to be done. That all said, I=92d like to see it happen as well, but I=92d love to = have a lot of the issues being addressed first before putting a date on it to = enable it in GENERIC in HEAD. /bz =97=20 Bjoern A. Zeeb "Come on. Learn, goddamn it.", WarGames, 1983