From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 21 2: 5:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A9837B42C for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 02:05:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f4L95Gk67924; Mon, 21 May 2001 02:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Bzdik BSD" , "Greg Lehey" Cc: "Brian Raynes" , Subject: RE: [dn-core] Re: Perens' "Free Software Leaders Stand Together" Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 02:05:16 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c0e1d5$26ee29c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <20010521083145.44600.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: Bzdik BSD [mailto:bzdik@yahoo.com] >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:32 AM >To: Greg Lehey; Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Brian Raynes; freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: [dn-core] Re: Perens' "Free Software Leaders Stand >Together" > > >wow, greg you are that low...instead of arguing your case and >substantiating your arguments you drift into personal accusations and >borderline name calling...it's so easy to do "sigh".."a lot of us were >put off.." instead of proving your points. was that "us" a Royal thingy >out of Socialist bushes? >what do you think you are? an authority? wrong camp... there are no >such animals here > >a lot of us are not going to buy the Powerpack with your book good for >6 releases back that you never cared to update - the errata are not >up-to-date either. and this is not gonna be good for the "cause" of >yours. this is just a pure FUD vomite coming out of your jealousy to >his book. Annelise's looks very promising too, which combined with >Ted's makes yours redundant even if you ever manage to catch up with >time... how's that? > Much as I appreciate the solidarity I would please beg all of you one thing - rate the books on the basis of the books, not on the basis of whether you think the author is a fuckhead. This is as true for me and Annelise as for Greg. Plenty of people think I'm a fuckhead too. > it's a very interesting and important >discussion, I am very glad that at least one person other than myself feels that way! It's my hope that this thread would spur more thought among the FreeBSD community as to how to actively deal with the media and the media's perception of BSD and Open Source. So far, the Linux camp is the only ones that have been engaged in plain old media manipulation, and even then what they have done has been fumbling first steps. (and they peed away a lot of the attention that the sky-high IPO's generated last year, which was even worse) The BSD camp has pretty much totally failed at doing this, which is probably the biggest reason that we wern't included in Bruce Peren's essay. If we don't take control and start manipulating the media, then others (Linux, Microsoft, etc.) are going to do it for us, and we probably won't like the result. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message