From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 1 15:35:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9987B16A4E1; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A043F43D70; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:35:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (phobos.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k71FZfor016599; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <44CF74CC.4070401@samsco.org> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:35:40 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Patrick M. Hausen" References: <20060731224403.T27679@ganymede.hub.org> <20060801075159.GD64880@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> <20060801083550.GE64880@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> <20060801113704.K27679@ganymede.hub.org> <20060801150540.GA10310@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> In-Reply-To: <20060801150540.GA10310@hugo10.ka.punkt.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, User Freebsd Subject: Re: iir(4) driver (Was: Re: Safe card to replace for ICP Vortex GDT851...) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:35:55 -0000 Ok guys, time for a small breather here. All these claims about EoE and orphanage and whatnot are a bit premature and underinformed. First, the iir driver is being worked on when the need arises. Several bugs were fixed in it a few months ago, and until Mark's recent series of mails on it, no other problems had been reported. So far there is only one person reporting unhappiness with it, which doesn't necessarily mean that there is systematic trouble with the driver or the hardware. Second, various Adaptec sources have confirmed that they do support FreeBSD. Making big statements in public that they don't, or that it's not up to ones' standards or hopes, isn't terribly useful or productive. I'd hate for FreeBSD to turn into That Other BSD that publically abuses and harasses vendors for percieved sleights. There are much more positive and product ways to fix problems and form good relationships, and those ways are actively being pursued by some people right now. And here again is my standard disclaimer: I highly recommend that anyone who takes their data integrity seriously should spend time qualifying any RAID solution that they are interested in before putting it into production. What works for your workload might not work for someone else's workload, and vice-versa. Scott Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > Hello! > > >>'k, just to clarify here ... the new products won't be based on the iir(4) >>driver then? > > > Yes, they won't. > > >>Basically, should the iir(4) driver be considered EOE also? > > > As far as Adaptec and ICP Vortex are concerned, yes. Since the > driver is Open Source, there is no enforced EOE, just "orphanage", > if nobody is willing to work on it. > > Regards, > > Patrick M. Hausen > Leiter Netzwerke und Sicherheit