From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 22:03:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F04106568A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB19D8FC19 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5DCBD482.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.212.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5LM3kO2091977 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:47 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5LM3SQs090856 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:03:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5LM3NbI005159 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:28 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> To: FreeBSD From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:44:16 EDT." <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:03:23 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:49 -0000 Hi questions@ > Robert Simmons articulated: > > There > > seems to be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists > > that keep spamming it periodically, jerry@seibercom.net wrote: > Now, if this forum were conducted under the same restraints that the > Postfix forums(2) adhere to, the quality of advice given and basic > overall quality of this forum would increase immeasurably. The history of address explains why we are here: questions@ list introduced to provide stuck newbies a lifeline. (Advertised from /etc/motd after a new install. ) Created long after more lists such as hackers@ & current@ & some other list, But still created years ago now. Many old guard didn't subscribe questions@ many years, 'cos just newbie questions, too boring, no time etc. A few experienced conscientious people did sub. questions@ though & did lots of good working helping people. Years later, what was once a list for mostly simple newbies has become a lot more skilled (I was suprised when I re-sub'd after absence of years, a notable difference; Maybe people presumably learnt FreeBSD, but failed to move on to hackers@ & current@, & usb@ etc, is probably down to individual inertia). The traffic on questions@ has now become very heavy. Traffic too heavy in fact, & a mess of themes, Some traffic would be better posted to hackers@ or current@ or other more specialist lists http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo Posting less to questions@ & more to other lists would help: Some traffic deserves a wider, &/or more specialist readership on other lists; Some Subjects some don't need. Newbies questions could be clearer visible as still pending an answer, not drowned among a morass of more technical threads. > It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated > into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be > open to the general public. The "Questions" forum has deteriorated to > the level of SlashDot which has deteriorated to the level of a > cesspool. At least SlashDot openly admits that they allow (encourage) > "Anonymous Coward" to post. I'm against merging chat@ & questions@, & don't believe it will happen Lists for different purposes, but even if questions@ people might come to a consensus in favour of merging, lots of people on other lists have a use for a seperate chat@, ie to demand of off remit people on their other lists "Take it to chat@" I think we should: make questions@ list writable only to subscribers (if not already); & Edit /usr/src/etc/motd eg: OLD If you still have a question or problem, please take the output of OLD `uname -a', along with any relevant error messages, and email it OLD as a question to the questions@FreeBSD.org mailing list. NEW If you still have a question or problem, please subscribe (free) via NEW http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/subscribe/freebsd-questions NEW then email Should we send in a send-pr to edit src/etc/motd ? Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.