From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 19 14:38:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E941065672 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553838FC28 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o7JEcbbq056124; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:38:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:38:37 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Rod Person In-Reply-To: <20100819133347.DD671B822@www6.pairlite.com> Message-ID: <20100820000153.H45487@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20100819110427.A6A3B10656F7@hub.freebsd.org> <20100819220048.N45487@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20100819133347.DD671B822@www6.pairlite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: jhell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Forged messages being posted to freebsd-questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:38:51 -0000 On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Rod Person wrote: > At 08:31 AM 08/19/2010, Ian Smith wrote: > > > Can someone please take care of this. Its getting to be quite annoying. > > > > Indeed. That's because noone had forwarded copies with complete headers > > to postmaster@freebsd.org, who I bet hasn't the spare time to browse a > > fraction of the freebsd lists (let alone -questions :) > > Can some explain to me or know what criteria is used to determine when a > posting to the lists need moderation? > I have read post in the past that say the list is not moderated or comments > such as above. I was really hoping not to start a bikeshed discussion :( This is a spam / mail abuse issue, not one about content, and yes it's off-topic but needs dealing with. This list is not moderated and is open to posting by non-subscribers; it's been that way for a very long time, and arguing for moderation won't change anything - who would have the time, anyway? Some other freebsd lists are only open to posting by subscribers. > But, then I try to post something and I get a "you posting is awaiting > moderator approval". There are some automatic checks; you can get that by cross-posting to too many lists (more than two or three IIRC); sending to too many recipients; posting to a list requiring subscription, maybe others. > Then I get a email that my posting was rejected with comments that > state "I don't see what this has to do with FreeBSD". But, then we > have these junk mail and forged mail issues, not to mention I see > replies that go way off topic of FreeBSD. Some list subscribers sometimes (try to) help by mailing people off-list about perceived off-topicness etc. There's nobody here but us chickens. The postmaster (and assistants), on the other hand, is/are the only ones who can do anything about blocking spammers and other abusers posting to freebsd lists, and that's generally best all dealt with off-list. postmaster@ removed from ccs; this won't help him locate the problem. cheers, Ian (over and out on this topic)