From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 25 17:26:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA23756 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [206.246.122.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA23731 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [206.246.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA27231; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: Mike Smith cc: hcremean@vt.edu, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Since the MicroSloth(tm) jokes have been flowing... In-Reply-To: <199708260001.JAA01828@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Agree completely. I'm doing a project for the University of Maryland, > > using Borland tools to do a very stripped down 32 bit OS for students. > > The most difficult part? Avoiding all the Microsoft hooks in the code, > > which means decompiling the obj files and literally plucking out the > > Windows calls. > > So use the Delorie tools. No MS hooks, already a flat 32-bit model, > and gosh, you can crossdevelop for it under FreeBSD 8) You really think I'm voluntarily using the Borland Tools?? 1) you're completely right. 2) Doesn't matter, I can't get the prof to agree. I thought to this about 3 months ago, fought that battle, lost. > > We did a project a while back where I started on a DOS system with the > Delorie tools, moved to OS/2 and emx (still targetting go32), then to > FreeBSD, still targetting DOS/go32. At the same time, there were no MS > or Borland tools around that could have given us what we needed (a > flat 32-bit DOS extended with inbuilt VM). Watcom _might_, but the > four-figure pricetag was totally out of the question. In fact, you _can_ get it to work with Borland. WDOSX as a dos extender does it, and the Borland 32 bit mode is flat. I don't say you'd enjoy doing it, but you _can_ get it working, C code. > > (Oh, you get all the source, too 8) > > mike > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------