From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 10:36:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C05E16A415 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:36:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@mail.gbch.net) Received: from gw.gbch.net (gw.gbch.net [203.143.238.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF0FE13C48C for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@mail.gbch.net) Received: (qmail 95933 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2006 20:36:39 +1000 Received: from iliad.gbch.net (172.16.1.9) by gw.gbch.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2006 20:36:39 +1000 Received: (qmail 93170 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Dec 2006 20:36:39 +1000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:36:38 +1000 From: Greg Black To: stable@freebsd.org References: <000801c723bb$efc2b540$260ba8c0@wii.wintecind.com> <458A2B14.5070009@freebsd.org> <458A97BF.1090503@ant.uni-bremen.de> <20061221095811.886d9850.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <200612220259.kBM2xYxc019408@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <20061222051513.GK63341@manor.msen.com> <20061222082639.GC837@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061222082639.GC837@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i; gjb-muttsend.sh 1.7 2004-10-05 X-Uptime: 31 days X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 X-Location: Brisbane, Australia; 27.49841S 152.98439E X-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb.html X-Blog: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/blog/ X-Image-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/gjb-auug048.gif X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: EBB2 2A92 A79D 1533 AC00 3C46 5D83 B6FB 4B04 B7D6 X-Request-PGP: http://www.gbch.net/keys/4B04B7D6.asc Cc: Subject: Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:36:43 -0000 On 2006-12-22, Peter Jeremy wrote: > [Not picking on Michael in particular, several people have made > similar comments] > On Fri, 2006-Dec-22 00:15:13 -0500, Michael R. Wayne wrote: >> >THAT< is why people who run servers, with jails, quotas, ipfw and >> moderate load keep complaining about 5.X and 6.1 and begging for >> 4.11 support to be extended. Just because someone has a few FreeBSD >> boxes running light loads and not using the features that we NEED >> does not mean that any the port 4.11 releases to date are stable. > > The FreeBSD Project is a volunteer effort. It is currently supporting > 4.11, 5.5, 6.1, preparing to release 6.2 and developing 7.x. You > cannot demand that volunteers do anything - they work on FreeBSD because > they enjoy it. If your business is relying on FreeBSD 4.11 and you > do not believe the _free_ support you have been getting is adequate, > you are always welcome to look through the list at > http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/consult_bycat.html and find someone > to provide whatever level of support you want. This is all good comment. But I would add that anybody who claims to have a substantial investment in antique FreeBSD systems and who thinks it makes sense to whine at the volunteers in an attempt to get them to do something that they have said they will not do is being dishonest. Such an investment is being managed poorly, probably irresponsibly, if it's not accompanied by a suitable investment in adequate levels of support. And, if you wave money around, there is no shortage of suitably qualified people who can provide such support. I would also add that, if these people are experiencing show stopping problems with 6.2, then they should be contributing to the process of solving those problems rather than whining about their "need" for 4.11 support. For most of us, 6.2 is fine. In fact, I have 4.2, 4.7, 4.9, 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2 boxes all running at multiple sites and all of them are just fine. I update them when there is a reason to, but since I really like the way 6.2 is shaping up, I might just move them all to 6.2 over the Oz summer. Greg