From owner-freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 17:54:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: jail@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBB54E5 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95752D8C for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id B0365CB8C9D; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:54:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:54:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <14943.128.135.70.2.1422381245.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <54C7C828.4070703@erdgeist.org> References: <20150127012347.GA4940@lonesome.com> <20150127141239.V77290@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <54C7958B.40007@gmail.com> <54C7C828.4070703@erdgeist.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:54:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: preferred jail management tool From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Dirk Engling" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: jail@freebsd.org, "Michael W. Lucas" X-BeenThere: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about FreeBSD jail\(8\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:54:12 -0000 On Tue, January 27, 2015 11:17 am, Dirk Engling wrote: > On 27.01.15 14:41, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> I hope the ezjail author takes this thread as incentive to keep his >> utility up to date and not let it die due to changing software in >> Freebsd >> base code. All I am doing is pointing out the facts here. > > I am reading the thread. And I have been following the discussion for a > long time. > > I have been served the jail.conf file format and offered my help > improving the jail(8) tool to allow for manipulation of the jail.conf, > because ezjail as a shell tool can not parse the format and keeping a > shadow config with potentially conflicting information is not a stable > way to maintain ones config > > A short summary is here: > > https://elektropost.org/ezjail/msg00149.html > > I also heard rumors that the jail.conf format is an intermediate format > only, and/or there's gonna be a library to parse and manipulate all kind > of structured config in FreeBSD. > > So I'd be very interested in keeping up with the base system's > development, but regarding jail configs it looks like I'm stuck with the > "use your vi to configure your jails" approach for 3 years now. I for one would prefer this ("use vi to edit config files" which are plain human readable ASCII text). And I will be extremely displeased if config files become XML or any other format designed for fancy GUI presentation of plain information. And if I'm forced to use these GUI tools. This basically what happened in Linux recently with systemd forced down the throats of people. This caused new wave of refugees from Linux to other systems FreeBSD being one of them. (I myself am a refugee from Linux: some 5 or 6 years ago I started migrating most important servers to FreeBSD, workstations in our Department stay Linux though...) Just my $0.02 Valeri > > Is there anyone feeling responsible for the jail(8) tool at the moment > willing to accept patches and discuss development? > > erdgeist > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-jail@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-jail > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-jail-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++