From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Apr 11 0:21:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CA137B875 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08532 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA07311 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1587C37B875 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael.schuster@germany.sun.com) Received: from emuc05-home.Germany.Sun.COM ([129.157.51.10]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24499 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from germany.sun.com (hacker [129.157.167.97]) by emuc05-home.Germany.Sun.COM (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id JAA18340 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38F2D225.1BABE12C@germany.sun.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:20:05 +0200 From: Michael Schuster - TSC SunOS Germany Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > The perception of new users is really a very big factor here - people who > spend any time listening to newbie comments (as opposed to just talking > about their 20-year old UNIX habits and how they're too old to change) > will know how much we Lose here when they're used to a system (Linux) with > a "friendly" default shell. I think there's a big difference between a default shell (read "for non-root users") and root's shell. I see no technical reason (and if there is, it needs to be amended) to not keep these two seperate. IMO, changing the root shell to anything but /bin/sh (esp. something as incompatible as *csh) is a bad move. There's just too much that depends on this. > Kris cheers Michael -- Michael.Schuster@germany.sun.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message