From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 5 17:56:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DFC16A402 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpkirchner@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1130C43D48 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:56:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dpkirchner@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so940032ugc for ; Fri, 05 May 2006 10:56:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=DIQtBNouETeo+ROq8THLNnHvhbaXK2sDi3M3L/kDiM86NbqkTWyFL5QCGyMj5OWnSkN93bii20oH965S76563+aCaZsPcXRwzSIf5k91FDqHOrdl1iYYLPkz9BH+9dBtKa7vSnIOors5nXMnUSTYhMZ7hCAebWSG1XOi5w/z6I8= Received: by 10.78.47.15 with SMTP id u15mr315792huu; Fri, 05 May 2006 10:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.13.2 with HTTP; Fri, 5 May 2006 10:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35c231bf0605051049t2761281ar97b9634b8279b1fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:49:43 -0700 From: "David Kirchner" Sender: dpkirchner@gmail.com To: "Pawel Jakub Dawidek" In-Reply-To: <20060505080543.GD5466@garage.freebsd.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4457A02C.9040408@rogers.com> <20060503110503.O58458@fledge.watson.org> <35c231bf0605031821s582b6d03j3ee9d434a596f62a@mail.gmail.com> <20060504021908.GA714@soaustin.net> <35c231bf0605032011s65fbb1aby742438465ee98ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20060504033300.GA39935@xor.obsecurity.org> <44598615.3040400@rogers.com> <20060504044758.GA41047@xor.obsecurity.org> <44599732.1050905@rogers.com> <20060505080543.GD5466@garage.freebsd.pl> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 859d5d429dfba130 Cc: Mike Jakubik , Mark Linimon , Robert Watson , stable@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 17:56:26 -0000 On 5/5/06, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > It isn't good to release a software with known, documented bugs, but its > better than shipping an untested software with god-one-knows unknown > bugs. There's another reasonable option: the known buggy code could be disabled by default, and left to the user to enable if they want to test it and provide feedback. The feature is in no way critical, so the harm would be minimal. Another option is to delay the release until the bugs are fixed and patched, but the impression I get here is that releases absolutely must occur, so that option won't be explored. The only reason I have been pushing this issue is because the bug affects the core subsystem of the OS, and because when the bug occurs, the average user is left with no feedback and no options other than to hard-reset the box and cross his fingers. I don't think this should be acceptable. I'll continue to apply the workaround locally, and will continue to recommend others do the same, and I guess that'll be that. Thank you for the feedback. I'll re-file my findings in a new PR so the issue can be tracked outside this thread (which has strayed significantly from the original subject, my apologies). -- David 'dpk' Kirchner