From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 17:43:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C157A16A41F for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:43:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jas@extundo.com) Received: from yxa.extundo.com (178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [217.13.230.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178F843D45 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:43:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jas@extundo.com) Received: from latte.josefsson.org (c494102a.s-bi.bostream.se [217.215.27.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jALHhEAX011673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:43:15 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:21:051121:freebsd-doc@freebsd.org::O2mgkm3GtO02+PcL:5eB2 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:43:02 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Proposed license for IETF Contributions X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:43:20 -0000 Hi all. (If you get a deja vu from this post, see [1]...) I noticed the following in the release notes for 6.0: The following manual pages, which were derived from RFCs and possibly violate the IETF's copyrights, have been replaced: gai_strerror(3), getaddrinfo(3), getnameinfo(3), inet6_opt_init(3), inet6_option_space(3), inet6_rth_space(3), inet6_rthdr_space(3), icmp6(4), and ip6(4). [MERGED] I'm working on a proposed update for the copying conditions (i.e., the copyright license) used on IETF Contributions. One goal is to make the license more aligned with open source and free software requirements. More background at: http://josefsson.org/bcp78broken/ I'd like the FreeBSD community input on a whether a my proposed license would have avoided the above situation, and similar situations in the future. The issue is whether the RFC 3978 license permit using RFC excerpts in source code or documentation (man pages in your case) that is licensed under a free software license. I believe RFC 3978 do not permit this, and judging from your release notes, it seems you share that view. Anyway. Here is my proposed license: c. The Contributor grants third parties the irrevocable right to copy, use and distribute the Contribution, with or without modification, in any medium, without royalty, provided that unauthorized redistributed modified works do not contain misleading author, version, name of work, or endorsement information. This specifically implies, for instance, that unauthorized redistributed modified works must not claim endorsement of the modified work by the IETF, IESG, IANA, IAB, ISOC, RFC Editor, or any similar organization, and remove any claims of status as an Internet Standard, e.g., by removing the RFC boilerplate. The IETF requests that any citation or excerpt of unmodified text reference the RFC or other document from which the text is derived. Comments? Suggestions? RFC excerpts are sometimes used in source code too, so the above scenario with the man pages may not be a isolated accident. I looked at Apache, Samba, OpenSSL and some other packages, and they all cite RFCs in various places. That usage may also be problematic, but I'm not sure. Thanks, Simon [1] It was suggested to move this discussion here to reach the proper audience, so here goes... sorry if you get this post twice. Notice that the license text has been slightly re-worded since the post to freebsd-questions.