From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 01:33:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FB0106568F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:33:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EA68FC16 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id B48C316B533; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:33:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.100]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 396AD16B4CD; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:33:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: pete wright In-Reply-To: <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1164999809-1256693047=:92294" X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:33:27 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1164999809-1256693047=:92294 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, pete wright wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Lars Eighner > wrote: > >>> You guessed wrong. >>> >>> We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into >>> sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my >>> system is less than 50 lines long, including comments. >>> >>> http://www.sendmail.org/m4/intro.html >> >> That's as poorly documented and incomprehensible as .cf by hand. =A0What= is >> your interest in sendmail? =A0Are you connected with it in someway? =A0S= urely, >> yours could not be the opinion of someone who doesn't get a piece of >> O'Reilly's royalties. =A0It's the same old crap, give the software away,= sell >> the documentation. > well shit man - Eric's actually a super nice guy and has made some > major contributions to computing so I reckon he deserves *some* > respect for the work he's done on sendmail. Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4!" Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable without a port, why isn't it a port? --=20 Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 --0-1164999809-1256693047=:92294--