From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 18 17:12:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3168C48ADA for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm6-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm6-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 720561862 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1479489116; bh=p4Q4dKxxOJI2OsLwbvphWhoPXMjmaiMgJHttXXiYbFk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=NSIwz3ttUQX264OPkwFnh/bsZ6anBZH5QtjV7N0FJYsuVJJSN2AF0Akjb60fCIT5t9UmsvS8ILEpbWiO6TbcMwvmU9kbPrpm1q9TVnJn4gLp3rgnK8iK7K8bhtB1Qju8iDQj9F70A6OGdl++1mcgqv5WbZB0YJ2PextiltVt/fuUJ3VmV/Z/sOA3mUYetz2LYwfONYeatdxjPwGjyWHqot2l1mlTFG4qBNRaWDujivJexm6qfUOhiGhW79+QfD9dtymE+9sE8xFgJqAxipHBJHaoDa/THMk+aqoqI13nOpdBx+fXOF5BrBL9J9G+2AmkYQxW/7wf/QBAiNlFntIt6w== Received: from [212.82.98.48] by nm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 17:11:56 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.72] by tm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 17:11:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2016 17:11:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 19501.22819.bm@smtp109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: j1JQEHUVM1m9aIClkzswQCtuvrOm4pj_uSB3A4.f4MOIwdz hzz19mUEwHVqJm355yconsz3xjCK96NAZOanR5H6Wj_zSRKg5icYvPk2mJ5W arICumrmFhp3.I3Olkr7GK2Pgj2DR8T6a5ttUG19_MyTPKdpdfa3TbokGC_1 fwHUqQtwwykFEdRSl1MN02oJLaRd24lXctj_VAtms.wRVD8Z4QDsuFVLA1s6 LnsAune4fjYuJ1ee96JnUYtSNUrKF3DeG4zpA195bR1EmSHAq66taotSTEP1 TiCmUV2_Og_ILFIID._r.U2r97bQCL_stK3Jf1.2uih5EjbsNQw_wnfmeaxd 1lYxO.GD1bRYI.lP3_v.Zgo7iWYwcR.lrB1c4NFUPlo1MzOhYZJroS8qi74_ jFmZTYfqWzytnCKGIKQBLhbQvCGredM32zgErIMHWdPLTPASshCfBSLG9GTP 1v1bhHyWgQc76Zohej2ncusTsKK19hOQ4KOdLGX6OzS0lpMJUnByexKddsdR YMAuy_aMTdXmLCa.uIgVVW9wbHxxgZrZw7wPlQrXWxGV2Vt6N4jvrJWRRJ5o Pt1Dui6wHv_mNXvJQ8VhRoedpjkTp X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:11:54 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-ID: <20161118181154.206e2fa7@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <3tL3cq194pzRRqT@baobab.bilink.it> References: <18217.128.135.52.6.1479484765.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20161118171215.379e59fb@archlinux.localdomain> <3tL3cq194pzRRqT@baobab.bilink.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1-13-g860ccbc (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:05 -0000 On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:39:45 +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote: >On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:12:15 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> just because most important distros migrated to systemd. > >BTW, wich "important" distros did not? I never used Gentoo myself, but it's one of the important distros. I try to avoid the term "major distro", instead I consider some distros with a huge base of experienced users as important distros. They use OpenRC https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems I'm an Arch Linux user, the distro that perhaps provides the most important Linux Wiki and follows a similar approach as Gentoo does, but quasi the only usable init system on Arch Linux is systemd. To help FLOSS novices, especially in regards to pro-audio, I maintain an Ubuntu LTS install. Newer releases by default come with systemd, too, but they still tend to be systemd-sysv-generator hybrids. This is a serious, confusing issue, let alone that the complete policy of Ubuntu is an annoyance for many experienced users. However the target group of Ubuntu aren't experienced operating system users and older, still long term supported releases by default use upstart. Nobody could know what happens next to Ubuntu, e.g. in regards to "snaps". But for sure such an approach as snap and similar things will not be taken over by other distros, such as Arch, even if Ubuntu's snap announcements create this wrong impression. Regards, Ralf