From owner-cvs-all Thu Sep 7 9:22:14 2000 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0DC37B422; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA33887; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Nik Clayton Cc: Warner Losh , "David E. O'Brien" , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/common boot.c module.c src/sys/boot/forth loader.conf src/sys/conf Makefile.alpha Makefile.i386 Makefile.pc98 kmod.mk src/share/mk bsd.own.mk In-Reply-To: Message from Nik Clayton of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:11:05 BST." <20000907131105.A811@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:21:45 -0700 Message-ID: <33883.968343705@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm hearing an increasing number of comments from people that a lot of > the FreeBSD development work is done behind closed doors. Not only does Which is unfortunate since those comments are largely in error. I don't know of any "doors" in this project at all, much less closed ones, and if there are any barriers to information sharing at all it's the world's oceans. It's always difficult to know what's going on in Europe and Japan, for example, because many of the developer discussions there occur in languages other than english and on narrowly distributed mailing lists. I think that's just the nature of the species, however, and hardly a FreeBSD-specific problem. > this make it difficult for people to contribute to the initial work, it > also makes it difficult for people to carry on the work. For example, > the libh stuff, and the work that's being done in IA-64. Which are both excellent examples of how perception has gotten things entirely wrong. The libh work has its own mailing list and open CVS repository which anyone can subscribe to, it being more the case that people are simply too apathetic to get involved. I'm sure the one or two people currently working on it would LOVE some help. The IA-64 port is also essentially DEAD right now because the only person doing any work on it at all is David O'Brien and he's hit a wall of molasses on the toolchain issues. There's no closed doors in either case, simply very little (or nothing) going on to report. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message