From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 13:38:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EE416A403 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D4E13C43E for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so284866wra for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 05:38:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gVCL8oAiJLqSvC8zSEPUkc4hL1qzrHjpGwYzYdwdooSEeFw3gNfVJu4NbB/fe5IJZY3ncfwVMoksaMhTQKnQCcpLQLCnAkAgqVdnFmKqPT4DtSXA10x8y5dPB87F8rG+7t+feyWQrM3jD2hc1cVbiAk+pykVpObJHUJHJm0y8sY= Received: by 10.90.89.5 with SMTP id m5mr9277252agb.1166793182083; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 05:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.31.12 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 05:13:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:13:02 +0800 From: "Adrian Chadd" Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com To: "Bill Moran" In-Reply-To: <20061222072905.75f2c9d2.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c723bb$efc2b540$260ba8c0@wii.wintecind.com> <458A2B14.5070009@freebsd.org> <458A97BF.1090503@ant.uni-bremen.de> <20061221095811.886d9850.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <200612220259.kBM2xYxc019408@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <20061222051513.GK63341@manor.msen.com> <20061222082639.GC837@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20061222072905.75f2c9d2.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76dbc413f9a61d21 Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Communicating with the public (was Re: Possibility for FreeBSD 4.11 Extended Support) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:38:52 -0000 On 22/12/06, Bill Moran wrote: > I could be wrong, but I get the impression that this whole EOL issue with > 4.x is partly a result of not reminding people when the EOL date for 4.x > is every 5 minutes. The result is that it's just hitting home for a lot > of people now that it's the 11th hour. The trouble Squid had was its push to a new codebase (2.5 -> 3.0) without adequately considering what users wanted. After all, if users don't get any of what they want then there's probably no chance of any paid work out of it.. Users cried for new features but with the stability of the existing codebase. In the end the developers caved and provided Squid-2.6 which seems to have begun reinvigorating the project somewhat. I'm not saying thats the case here, but all the people I've seen complain about 4.11 isn't because the upgrade path isn't -there-, its because the upgrade path doesn't give them stability. People then answer "but its stable for mee!"; both sides don't end up agreeing. tsk .:) adrian