From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 5 18:47:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7A916A408; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D210343D5A; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:47:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [10.10.3.185] ([69.15.205.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k45IldLV064405; Fri, 5 May 2006 12:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <445B9DC3.8070208@samsco.org> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:47:31 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Jakubik References: <4457A02C.9040408@rogers.com> <20060503110503.O58458@fledge.watson.org> <35c231bf0605031821s582b6d03j3ee9d434a596f62a@mail.gmail.com> <20060504021908.GA714@soaustin.net> <35c231bf0605032011s65fbb1aby742438465ee98ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20060504033300.GA39935@xor.obsecurity.org> <44598615.3040400@rogers.com> <20060504044758.GA41047@xor.obsecurity.org> <44599732.1050905@rogers.com> <20060505080543.GD5466@garage.freebsd.pl> <35c231bf0605051049t2761281ar97b9634b8279b1fd@mail.gmail.com> <445B991F.3050600@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <445B991F.3050600@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org, Pawel Jakub Dawidek , Mark Linimon , Robert Watson , Kris Kennaway , David Kirchner Subject: Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:47:49 -0000 Mike Jakubik wrote: > This quota/nve problem sure stirred things up, i guess im partly to > blame, but anyway i think that it all boils down to is this; FreeBSD > users now demand stability and performance, as opposed to an influx of > new bells and whistles just before the release. FreeBSD already has many > great features which we are happy with, but they need to be refined now. > Stabilize and optimize the current code, then focus on new ideas. Yes, > new features are important to stay in the game, but they should not > arrive at the sacrifice of stability. I think FreeBSD should only be > released when known major bugs are worked out. A known broken release to > me and most new users is useless, lets not release simply for the sake > of numbering. I understand that there are problems, sometimes the users > are to blame, other the developer, but we all want a stable, functional > and thriving OS (i hope). > > I wish i was a good Unix C programmer myself, so i could contribute in a > more direct way (always hated those damn pointers), but thats just not > the case. However i think i have contributed quite a bit in other areas, > that may not be visible to everyone. I even managed to get the first > (afaik) FreeBSD server in to FedEx, which they are very pleased with > btw. I don't mean to offend anyone, i fully understand that this is a > volunteer project and i appreciate everyones contribution, its just that > i think FreeBSD has some problems currently, and there are quite a few > people that are concerned. We all love and want FreeBSD to succeed. > Please contact me privately with a list of issues on the 6.1 TODO list that are presently affecting you, and I will personally resolve them for you. Scott