From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 20 00:04:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA12650 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:04:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12586 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA10371; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:04:27 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA29655; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:15:02 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199611200815.JAA29655@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Interest in large collection of Lisp/Scheme implementations? In-Reply-To: <199611200751.IAA02139@knight.cons.org> from Martin Cracauer at "Nov 20, 96 08:51:44 am" To: cracauer@cons.org (Martin Cracauer) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:15:01 +0100 (MET) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, dbetz@bix.com Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Christoph Kukulies writes: > > > - Is there some interest to have such a wide collection of > > > Lisp-related packages on FreeBSD or do you think is a rather > > > pointless or would you fear FreeBSD could be seen as some kind of > > > "new Lisp machine"? > > > You're thinking of the rise and fall Symbolics, right? ;-) > > Well, I'm afraid we have to wait until Emacs is based on Guile instead > of elisp. The reel feeling needs an Editor and an environment hosted in > the same live world. Stallman pushes this step, so there is hope. > > But, in fact, right now I sit in front of a photocopy of one of these > fancy keyboards with 'Windows 95' keys, scratching the ugly MS logos > from it and labeling keys 'meta', 'super', 'hyper', 'symbol', > 'select', painting circles and quares and do a xmodmop to make the > useless caps lock above the left shift a backwards delete key :-) I have such a keyboard myself. Well, the Windows logo key isn't that bad. Ever used netscape to read mail? Pressing WinKey+Alt with arrow up/down lets you scroll up/down messages in the netscape mail reader. > > [followups on this paragraph are better directed to -chat] > > [...] > > I would like to see such a collection. When you cover 20 implementations > > I'm sure my favourite LISP, namely XLISP (XSCHEME) will be included. > > I planned to do so for Common Lisp and Scheme. In fact, I don't eally > like xlisp because it caused it lot of code to be written that is not > useable on other implementations and xlisp is to a good part > responsible for the myth that Lisp has to be slow. I don't know if you know the byte code version of XLISP (was it 3.0?). I will cc this to dbetz@bix.com :-) > > Martin > -- > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer > cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (batched, preferred for large mails) > Tel.: (daytime) +4940 41478712 (sometimes hacker's daytime :-) > Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 > Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de