From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Sep 13 11:04:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05750 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05745 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11623; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:04:40 GMT Message-Id: <199609131804.SAA11623@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA070897892; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:04:52 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:04:52 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: hmmm@alaska.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3239F50E.D6D@alaska.net> (message from hmmm on Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:58:06 -0700) Subject: Re: user ppp Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "hmmm" == hmmm writes: hmmm> -i- don't see a PID for PPP when started as a daemon (-auto) are hmmm> you sure ? actually, httpd doesn't show either. i don't hmmm> believe daemons have PIDs ... They do. The ps command doesn't show them by default, though, because it assumes that regular users will use the command to find out about processes they themselves are running, and not processes that the system's running on its own behalf. And regular users almost always run processes under a controlling terminal. Daemons, however, run without a controlling terminal (which is a Good Thing (tm)). :-) So, you need to tell the ps command to show processes without a controlling terminal. I type this out of habit: ps -auxww The -x tells ps to show procs withot a controlling terminal. Sorry for the lengthy description ... I had too much espresso today! -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/