From owner-cvs-all Thu Sep 7 10: 1:25 2000 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52AA37B422; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e87H0MS05637; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:00:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:00:20 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Nik Clayton , Warner Losh , "David E. O'Brien" , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/common boot.c module.c src/sys/boot/forth loader.conf src/sys/conf Makefile.alpha Makefile.i386 Makefile.pc98 kmod.mk src/share/mk bsd.own.mk Message-ID: <20000907180019.A3550@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <33883.968343705@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <33883.968343705@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:21:45AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:21:45AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > this make it difficult for people to contribute to the initial work, it > > also makes it difficult for people to carry on the work. For example, > > the libh stuff, and the work that's being done in IA-64. > > Which are both excellent examples of how perception has gotten things > entirely wrong. The libh work has its own mailing list and open CVS > repository which anyone can subscribe to, Where was this announced? Searching for "libh" on our search engine turned up references to it on the recent discussion on -arch where sysinstall came up again. Google turned up a post to a Debian mailing list (!) that contained details about the CVS tree, and a few other links, from which I gather we have a freebsd-libh mailing list. This list isn't mentioned on the site search page, Deja hasn't seen any announcements to it posted to the .announce group, and I've forgotten the last time I ever received anything from freebsd-announce. It's not on the website newsflash page, and I can't find it in the Really Quick Newsletter either. There's no mention of it on the projects page. I'll try to rectify this tonight (time permitting), but that's not really the point. > it being more the case that people are simply too apathetic to get involved. They can't get involved if they don't know about it. > The IA-64 port is also essentially DEAD right now because the only person > doing any work on it at all is David O'Brien and he's hit a wall of molasses > on the toolchain issues. There's no closed doors in either case, > simply very little (or nothing) going on to report. I did a similar search for "ia64" on the web site. This turns up messages such as http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=154269+157044+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/freebsd-arch/20000521.freebsd-arch and http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=157044+158859+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/freebsd-arch/20000521.freebsd-arch No offense intended to either Mike or Paul, but neither of those messages reads as a "We're looking for volunteers, feel free to help out". Again, there's no information about an IA64 port in the projects page on the web site. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right places -- if so, please point me to the right places, and I'll make sure these are linked to from the web site and the rest of the documentation. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message