From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 23 20:28:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03078 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03070 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scooter.quickweb.com (scooter.quickweb.com [199.212.134.8]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA07679 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:28:14 -0700 Received: (from mark@localhost) by scooter.quickweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15844; Thu, 23 May 1996 23:32:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:32:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Mayo To: Dennis cc: "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ISDN Compression Load on CPU In-Reply-To: <199605232309.TAA29413@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 May 1996, Dennis wrote: > whole pile of stuff snipped... > > ones that work. > > > >Show up at a public peering point with one of these "routers" and see how > > >many of the real players will trust the data coming from that hacked gated > >and will peer freely with you. Then look at the thrash rate and explain how > >you think you can route under convergence situations with anything > >approaching a real (as in 34 - 45mbps HSSI-class) load without melting > >completely. > > as i said, your not mainstream. We're talking about low-end routers here and > your talking about backgone T3 switches. Just for the record, here at the University of Waterloo, we're writing high-speed ATM code - we write the stuff first on a machine (which cost < $6000) running on FreeBSD... let's see you (Karl) show up at one of our design meetings with your pitiful hardware... you'd be asked to leave the room very quickly. The FreeBSD pentium is routing with data transfers upwards of 850 mbps. When the code works on the bsd box, we move to the ATM hardware and test. The point being, the hardware you cling to is shit. I can wire together a software solution that is about 6 years ahead of Cisco et. al. on a 'Free' operating system for very low cost. As you dig deeper into routing, you'll find the big boys are simply scared little children clinging to their old world knowledge. I'm not disagreeing with Karl about using good "hardware" in an ISP situation - but you have no ground to stand on when it comes to bandwidth loads. I run Warfleet routers, and I love the Ascend ISDN solutions .. I run a Pipeline 50 on my local lan at home - works like a charm! But the bottom line for many small ISP's is simply this: get the job done for the lowest possible cost. And 'software' solutions can be very attractive. Gated is a nice little package for example that can route very high loads (easilt handle a few T1s) for almost no cost. ANyways, I enjoyed watching you two argue over this!! Bottom line for me: if I buy from big boys, it's for the support, not for performance. I liked it when HP showed up at my office with a fully up to date copy of our fileserver -- 1 hour after the building burned to the ground! :-) Ya get what ya pay for! -Mark :%t$sig -- Oops, thought I was in vi.. ------------------------------------------- | Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com | | C-Soft www.quickweb.com | -------------------------------------------