From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 5 19:23:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102D316A40E for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 19:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E210C43D48 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 19:23:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 22771 invoked from network); 5 May 2006 19:23:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xkB9NfyMPhU8zDoTRbabLg/VCz39FAxD7KVham5yCOgDI0pyG6L7GIF0xdm0pvMlUSqDGdi9JCPIVykLelVd11FZ45xUoAGcwRN7CB56GN/rGRlE/+RGGTJs3iHQX8tsnm4zrDMHEVwPazZXvH/w8e23CPcPJeP53GES4Qrguig= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.31.50.218?) (mikej@rogers.com@70.31.50.218 with plain) by smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2006 19:23:08 -0000 Message-ID: <445BA61F.8000601@rogers.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:23:11 -0400 From: Mike Jakubik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa References: <4457A02C.9040408@rogers.com> <20060503110503.O58458@fledge.watson.org> <35c231bf0605031821s582b6d03j3ee9d434a596f62a@mail.gmail.com> <20060504021908.GA714@soaustin.net> <35c231bf0605032011s65fbb1aby742438465ee98ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20060504033300.GA39935@xor.obsecurity.org> <44598615.3040400@rogers.com> <20060504044758.GA41047@xor.obsecurity.org> <44599732.1050905@rogers.com> <20060505080543.GD5466@garage.freebsd.pl> <35c231bf0605051049t2761281ar97b9634b8279b1fd@mail.gmail.com> <445B991F.3050600@rogers.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060505145259.10d8dca0@64.7.153.2> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060505145259.10d8dca0@64.7.153.2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 19:23:10 -0000 Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 02:27 PM 05/05/2006, Mike Jakubik wrote: >> This quota/nve problem sure stirred things up, i guess im partly to >> blame, but anyway i think that it all boils down to is this; FreeBSD >> users now demand stability and performance, as opposed to an influx >> of new bells and > > I think you *are* forgetting it is a volunteer project, so demand is > not a word that can really come into play. No one here has made any No i am not, i made that clear, please read the whole message again. > commitment to you or any other user about what will and will not be in > FreeBSD. If FreeBSD meets your needs, thats great! If not, perhaps try > help fixing it yourself, or contributing funds to have someone fix > it. I have been using FreeBSD for some time and run a LOT of my > business on top of it. So when things dont work, its a drag. Deal > with it as best you can (e.g. fix it yourself, work around it or Just because it's a volunteer project, doesn't mean the community has no right to express their ideas and concerns. If everyone were to sit quietly the state of this and even the existence of other BSDs would not be the same as now. > choose a new OS or pay someone to fix it). In the case of quotas, dont > use snapshots. In the case of the NVE, a $5 realtek (rl) will work > just fine. It's not always that simple.