From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 5 19:43:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD2816A40D; Fri, 5 May 2006 19:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA643D45; Fri, 5 May 2006 19:43:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [10.10.3.185] ([69.15.205.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k45Jh0vl064672; Fri, 5 May 2006 13:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <445BAABD.2010400@samsco.org> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:42:53 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon References: <20060505192152.GA17616@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20060505192152.GA17616@soaustin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org, pjd@freebsd.org, linimon@freebsd.org, Mike Jakubik , kris@freebsd.org, rwatson@freebsd.org Subject: Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 19:43:09 -0000 Guys, I appreciate the attempts at rational explaination from camp A, and I appreciate the flood of emotional outpouring from camp B. However: Mike Jakubik, David Kirchner, and others: You are making a mountain out of a molehill and exploiting the unprecendented openness of the release engineering team to further your agendas of being unhelpful malcontents. Dictating what you feel should happen is absolutely 100% worthless and a waste of time. Your focus on a small subset of issues completely ignores the large volume of things that have been improved, and the hard work that has been done by a team of hundreds to bring you those improvements. Your opinions are noted and recorded for posterity. Thank you. Now, if you are actually interested in helping, I have a very long list of technical and non-technical tasks that I would be quite willing to share that will go towards continuing our tradition of having good releases. No programming experience required. Apply within. EOE. Mark Linimon, Kris Kenneway, Robert Watson, and others: Thank you very much for your attempts at rational explaination. I think that just about every angle has been covered, and covered multiple times. Unfortunately, I think that this topic has gotten into 'feed the troll' phase, which is unfortunate but also a sign that it's time to move on and go back to doing good work. Thank you again. Scott