From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Dec 10 17: 8: 1 2000 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 17:07:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A468737B400; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 145HUn-0000CG-00; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:11:13 -0700 Sender: wes@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3A3429B0.A389F032@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:11:12 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Warner Losh , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Chad R. Larson" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCIOCGETCONF/PCIOCREAD requires write permission? References: <3A333CE4.5B9FDA92@newsguy.com> <200012080707.AAA12102@freeway.dcfinc.com> <20001208115004.B81619@dragon.nuxi.com> <200012100901.CAA27464@harmony.village.org> <3A334EEB.5833CE81@newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > > Warner Losh wrote: > > > > In message <3A333CE4.5B9FDA92@newsguy.com> "Daniel C. Sobral" writes: > > : ported to every hardware platform under sun, and we do not go out of our > > : way to provide security. Thus, NetBSD and OpenBSD have the edge on us on > > > > What? I don't see how you can say that about security... > > We don't go *out* of our way. And just because OpenBSD has an *edge*, > that doesn't mean said edge is all that big. FreeBSD balances security concerns with usability, whereas OpenBSD goes for the "security" choice every time. This makes one of the systems more secure without user tuning, the other more functional without user tuning. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message