From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 12:06:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EB34B87; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 12:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.made4.biz (mail.made4.biz [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:c018::1:3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6058AA8E; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 12:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 2a02-8428-011b-e000-0290-f5ff-fe9d-b78c.rev.sfr.net ([2a02:8428:11b:e000:290:f5ff:fe9d:b78c] helo=magellan.dumbbell.fr) by mail.made4.biz with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1XaO6A-000Gq4-4q; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 14:06:06 +0200 Message-ID: <542FE2A7.1090200@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 14:05:59 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?SmVhbi1Tw6liYXN0aWVuIFDDqWRyb24=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marat N.Afanasyev" , ports@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Removal of legacy X.Org (aka non-WITH_NEW_XORG) References: <20141003083051.GA52332@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <542E6606.9050205@orange.fr> <542E6B4D.10208@FreeBSD.org> <542EC48E.2000507@li.ru> In-Reply-To: <542EC48E.2000507@li.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5hi4CokAsx48MxoI804jv0LS24RibCw2J" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 12:06:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5hi4CokAsx48MxoI804jv0LS24RibCw2J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03.10.2014 17:45, Marat N.Afanasyev wrote: > I think that old X stack should not be dropped until at least, GPU > locking problem is resolved, what we can say about Xorg stability under= > FreeBSD if one should reset one's desktop every week or so with lots of= > lost files? I cannot really use KMS drivers at all because of this > problem. I've lost enough data while trying to test radeon kms, and I > cannot switch from old xorg to new one. Most GPU lockups on Radeon occur because Mesa 9.1 is way too old and doesn't work well at all for these cards. Mesa 10.x behaves *much* better= =2E Unfortunately, we can't use Mesa 10.x on FreeBSD 9.x and FreeBSD 10.0, because the Intel driver lacks a required feature [1]. This kind of impossible situations happens because our time is limited. That's why we need to drop the old stack and spend the saved time to move forward. If you're willing to try Mesa 10.3.0, it's available from the "experimental" branch of our development ports tree: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics#Development_repository =46rom this branch, build: o graphics/libdrm o graphics/libglapi o graphics/libGL o graphics/dri o graphics/libEGL (if you have it installed) o graphics/libglesv2 (if you have it installed) > Is it possible to build new xorg without kms and with old radeon > driver? Yes, in the case of Radeon, you can use xf86-video-ati-ums (in place of xf86-video-ati) with xserver 1.12. There's no need to rebuild xserver. [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics/Add_HW_context_support_to_i915 --=20 Jean-S=C3=A9bastien P=C3=A9dron --5hi4CokAsx48MxoI804jv0LS24RibCw2J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUL+KtXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NzA4N0ZEMUFFQUUwRTEyREJDNkE2RjAz OUU5OTc2MUE1RkQ5NENDAAoJEDnpl2Gl/ZTMzMQP/1qXa52lY+qPJHeY55Gz1TP8 gmXicI1FFZR7ZlYU7zgE8k+kzMPyjh+llq2eRmlB0S5PjVEqDUGmCH87Wpwy2qGv 1CZHJ7wD0mfwjJ1knW2naXN3Q552A0ysdiZs2NDPCq0MmCUvBVXjSULV2TAaQYQH UudQGm6ZJ+Ac8Ghk2gltDhX16atJxTWcT4KJHWsz7Q8yZ0f9XNdq9fWYdxPp0zIC 3nUKi+9DPNAtJG0oMajZBVYG3K9EaKWjttjJ9bGvTYeLkZmUUkM1W2GjnTA2cwke 9V7Kjx6Bt4zvzRup4TtnjAGL8Ktob5ei6OZZINgnJXT3Rq4dPMQb/KDzh/EH96Q1 0OhwpH6CgbiPHS0iIEea8P9TCKpLrPbKWPAWfZQ6UfOLByrGFSHshS7P6X1hgbGl VagQBD/oMBpUv5B6jB0l86OV2ydT9AEoKph+H/vMWYlZeh4ABRcnkA2wQ4vHBS0B gnyrNFk+mNfI7z+nneSNvjjw3sDGYene6sjWvkhAHQ5DUx3IxNkabSXeNZCbAjy4 XtOWaKqXUmk2vkcAbZil+BC2HDHUeLTOt+KxQQ4eNcGT0aQusfvKVLbxCB8pTlpU gDFo6xcM17EuqOp1nhywihzMBD3YNYH/A3dpYY/zY9YWNUsbqy/lDCcol5sinGFf StXfi/8lBqIJAGofNd/y =nvAZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5hi4CokAsx48MxoI804jv0LS24RibCw2J--