From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 19 22:41:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8083716A402 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191A213C44B for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:41:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so528115uge for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f3bBSNO93fo8sHTmKjEfC8Gfw4Pub4yq+5fOE+THxW0oQoNIGaEUJImxhBVZSZE/bPbqQyd+QECLh6l2GbMR/V9S8OlLjs7zlY1S9AEFJfXM1C8nZ3xd24OpF1wSDCxAcPPoZJx5UmwGf7SDT136ueZTUgWeaqlzvHvXVfB8h88= Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr2001797ugg.1169246496792; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.2.184.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c1sm2566399ugf.2007.01.19.14.41.35; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45B149C2.1070908@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:44:18 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <200701192030.l0JKUN9v059140@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200701192030.l0JKUN9v059140@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:41:40 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > Ypu're out of luck then. Recent versions of FreeBSD > require floating-point support to be present, which a > 486SX doesn't have. You must have at least a 486DX > processor, I'm afraid. Or install an old version of > FreeBSD which will emulate FP instructions, but then > you don't have security support anymore, which means > it's probably a bad idea to connect the machine to > the internet, i.e. you shouldn't use it as a router. What release (best of which still support it)? > 8 MB isn't much. You won'te be able to run sysinstall > with it, and a standard kernel won't be much fun either. > But it should be OK with a smaller custom kernel. First thing is to find out how to do that :] (i'll read the Handbook later someday) > > But doesn't FreeBSD configure things for specific hardware > > when installed on one computer? And does it work if > > install on a new generation 386? > > The standard FreeBSD/i386 installation will work on > all supported x86 machines, from a 486DX upwards. Sry, I meant: And does it work if install on a new generation 386 FIRST? Did that, and voila, "Missing operating system" > Personally I prefer to use a FreeBSD machine as a > router, because I dislike "black boxes". You never > know what bugs and security issues they might have, > and many vendors are not particularly quick when a > security hole needs to be fixed. It's not a very > good feeling when you know that exploits are > circulating in the net and your vendor doesn't > provide a new firware for your box. Same here... feels good to have control, to be the king :] > The FreeBSD security folks are usually very quick > in providing security advisories and patches, and > if you know a bit about C programming, you can even > fix things yourself. Heck, even the fact that you > _can_ look at the source code if you want is very > big plus for FreeBSD. I've read somewhere, that if I want to learn to hack computers, I need to get some UNIX, because Windows isn't open source, and learning is near impossible. That's when I've been directed to FreeBSD. Well, it was just a matter of time until I found out that I still couldn't do anything with the source without knowing C :]. OK, now I do. But, nontheless, FreeBSD seemed like such a stable system, plus there are comparisons of FreeBSD VS Windows in google, it's like 8 - 2. But those tests (uh, comparisons from BSD fans?) were made back in 2000. Where's an up to date comparison? > Are you sure that the installation finished successfully? > As I mentioned above, I think 200 MB isn't sufficient for > a standard installation. Yes yes 100%. First it failed with 150MB '/' and 64MB SWAP, then it woked with 170MB '/' and 32MB SWAP and less distribution sets. The thing is, it simply can't boot up! Even the boot floppies aren't working.. they say 'No /boot/loader' (kern1.flp) and some other error I dont remember (boot.flp). WTF? > You could frame it and nail it to the wall. LOL