From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 21 17:21:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20870 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:21:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20783; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:21:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA08302; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:50:17 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980722095017.F8098@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:50:17 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Brett Glass , Bill/Carolyn Pechter , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: GNU software (was: "Open Source Town Meeting" supports only one faction) References: <19980722093121.E8098@freebie.lemis.com> <199807220008.RAA02892@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199807220008.RAA02892@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 05:08:58PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 21 July 1998 at 17:08:58 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> On Tuesday, 21 July 1998 at 15:03:16 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: >>> At 04:52 PM 7/21/98 -0400, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: >>> >>>> Brett -- I also disagree with the Free Software Foundation's philosophy. >>>> However, I think it's a reasonable place for the funding to go. >>> >>> I disagree. The Free Software Foundation's main objective nowadays is to >>> promote the notion that the GPL is the One True Way. >> >> That may be. But do you intend to stop using GNU software because of >> that? If not, I think it's fair to support the people who supply it. > > You're making the mistake that the FSF want you to; namely that they > are the sole source of "GNU" software. What you may mean is that we > should not stop using GPL'd software. I'm not sure we're understanding each other here. My question was rhetorical, with an implicit "no" as answer. Looking in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin, I see: bc cvs gdb gzip ptx tar binutils dc genclass ld rcs texinfo bison dialog gperf man sdiff as cc diff grep patch send-pr awk cpio diff3 groff perl sort Of these, I use frequently and believe we have no alternative source of: cvs gdb gzip rcs texinfo bison grep patch awk groff perl sort I also use Emacs and bash, both of which are GPLd. I have no intention of even trying to change. > Whether that's desirable is arguable, but note that AFAIK almost > none of the GPL'd components we use (for example) are developed or > have their development supported substantially by the FSF. gcc, gdb, Emacs, bash, grep, awk? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message