From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 9 18:15:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B551FEAA for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 18:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [198.74.231.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F286B1 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 18:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B15B346B2A for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 13:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sA9IFS9K035883 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 13:15:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sA9IFSGk035880 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 13:15:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 13:15:28 -0500 (EST) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: what's a BE (related to Where do user files go these days?) In-Reply-To: <545F7B85.1050900@qeng-ho.org> Message-ID: References: <545ED36B.8040207@gmail.com> <20141109035011.a3fea3b3.freebsd@edvax.de> <545EF01A.8020804@gmail.com> <20141109064453.2451a5ab.freebsd@edvax.de> <545F5AD6.6000404@FreeBSD.org> <545F7B85.1050900@qeng-ho.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 09 Nov 2014 13:15:28 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 18:15:34 -0000 On Sun, 9 Nov 2014, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 09/11/2014 12:15, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 09/11/2014 05:44, Polytropon wrote: >>>> Thanks. In every system I can remember, /home was a separate file >>>>> system (when it existed at all), and I didn't see /usr/home in hier(7), >>>>> so I wondered. >> Don't get me started though -- there are worse problems with managing >> what should be in a B.E. and what should not, and trying to reconcile >> all that with hier(7). Much of /var should be part of a B.E., but not >> /var/mail or /var/log or /var/db/mysql. Similarly /usr/local/pgsql >> should be outside a B.E. This leads to all sorts of arcane trickery >> like creating a zroot/var ZFS with canmount=off,mountpoint=/var to >> overlay zroot/ROOT/BENAME/var with canmount=on,mountpoint=/var all so >> you can mount zroot/var/mail from outside the boot environment. > > I'm glad to find it's not just me who wondered about /var and boot > environments. I've got /var/tmp, /var/crash and /var/db/entropy outside the > b.e. as well, although with hindsight I'm not sure about crash. What's a BE? There are no dumb questions, its the people who ask them :)