From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 20 13:15:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41B35E54 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [IPv6:2001:470:28:38a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48B81FA4 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA811CC94 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:15:36 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1392902136; bh=1ORyyS51AF4fGch+AuHDs05ERtI5CLW6VX9+O+mAU4M=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=FHgDT2+msZ9E/jfyUZUoy0ppR7GZQwMmm9NKnLLvy11pshQK0HFVZvo08cLe5TIg8 N2I8dS1LnByg7PfUx2bEU1MBCPXPj8LIthZKELYU0W516ISzct1uKA2uTDgNd8JLP3 gDkN4e79eFkwX2c3hcPnWHgmrz8vkWRmO1aChtM0= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id GmOt4cyji2A5 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:15:30 +0200 (EET) Received: from Rivendell (dsl-kmibrasgw1-54f8d4-179.dhcp.inet.fi [84.248.212.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B839F1CC92 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:15:29 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: From: "Reko Turja" To: References: <5303B8F3.8090709@vangyzen.net> <5303E549.8020106@bluerosetech.com> <98B6A42D-9A63-4E59-BEEB-C82B497B4AA1@bway.net> <20140219215226.GA4051@lucius.XxX> In-Reply-To: <20140219215226.GA4051@lucius.XxX> Subject: Re: Recommend FreeBSD VPS Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:15:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:15:38 -0000 From: Lucius Rizzo >* Charles Sprickman [2014-02-19 15:53]: > >Be aware of who your neighbors are if your VPS needs to send email, > >or if you feel icky about getting a cheap VPS by moving into a shady > >neighborhood. I've been shopping for new VM/Co-lo for our hobbyist/arts/small business server and RootBSD seems to fit the bill exactly with their pricing and options. Does anyone have experience how tight shipo they are running with regards to spamming etc? Of course, having Hetzner and OVH supply the spamming demand here in Europe, other providers might be spared altogether ;) >However, running a MTA (Or the entire mail/web) infrastructure is not an >easy endeavor. Nor is it always done right. Having newbs delve into >this world - past the SEO blogging wordpress spam, will just mean that... //rant Someone once said that real world is complicated and that makes email servers automatically complicated too. In many cases it seems that people automatically qualify as smtp and DNS admin once they can install some flavor of desktop linux on their personal machines. This is my personal pet peeve, people sending mail with headers telling that sender is xxx@myhosteddomain.whatever. You can't these days just forward messages with sender info kept intact, as modern spam and bounce prevention means that some random guy in internet can't sign the mails on our behalf... -Reko