From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 05:14:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43674FBB for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 05:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AE6228A0 for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 05:14:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=H0I+U+QT6IGRaDOZ0FK/frNc9ITux8F7k4A+aycsgU0=; b=Geb23wsMs1y5LidgC/M9KDgNAil06KX76ogNIHuXbsSA1/tuQWwMGleU/iBjmAVsSONkQN+Iy57mtSuOtFJWpkztBgkcj4uNpFZxhYpKljp8GLJxLmashx3sm+sLfbExIJk/YL6xSTuDQDh6kKpBx9fMS/ctOSGW4uOJ663BGww=; Received: from [182.4.189.8] (port=28885 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WlAT5-003EBK-Db; Thu, 15 May 2014 23:14:04 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 13:13:58 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Polytropon Subject: Re: A myth that has been omission in FreeBSD Advocacy =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Project=3F?= Message-ID: <20140516131358.46410fa4@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20140516062949.cb3087a5.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20140516033049.229275a0.freebsd@edvax.de> <20140515212217.0af33255@b1c1l1.com> <20140516062949.cb3087a5.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Benjamin Lee , velocidade da luz , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 05:14:06 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 16 May 2014 06:29:49 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 2014 21:22:17 -0700, Benjamin Lee wrote: > > On Fri, 16 May 2014 03:30:49 +0200, Polytropon > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 16 May 2014 02:52:15 +0300, velocidade da luz wrote: > > > > A myth that has was omitted in FreeBSD Advocacy Project is > > > > as follows: The hardware and software vendors consider the > > > > BSD system used as > > > > Hobby.http://www.freebsd.org/advocacy/myths.html > > [...] > > > > Do you agree with me? > > > > > > > > > > Agree on what? That BSD systems are a hobby? Definitely not. > > > Furthermore, the page you mentioned doesn't mention the word > > > "hobby"... And by the way, many users of the BSDs just don't > > > care much about what hardware and software vendors might think > > > about what BSD is; their focus is on using and developing > > > BSD to become better every day and make it available to those > > > who want to improve the world we live in. > > > > You seem to have misread the original post, which suggested that > > "BSD is a hobby" should be added to the list of *myths* on the > > advocacy page precisely to preempt such claims. > > Erm... now that I re-read the question: Yes, that's a fully > valid interpretation. Note that English is not my native > language. > > Still the question to answer prior to adding something to the > list of myths is: Do hardware and software vendors _really_ > consider BSD a hobby, or (which I think is more likely) don't > they really know about it, or ignore it? > > Again, the fact that many businesses work because BSD exists, > and many corporation building their infrastructure on BSD > (even when they don't know or admit it) would suggest that > they do _not_ consider BSD a hobby. But that's just my very > individual interpretation, I'm not a million $ company. :-) > it is even worse to my own experience. I met once by chance a sales director of a company selling FreeBSD based hardware. He was a bit amused that I was using an exotic operating system while being seated at a bar. He did not realise that his money come also from this exotic operating system. With other words, it does not matter for most of the people selling boxes what is inside the box. They would sell the same box also with a pair of shoes inside as long as they find a buyer. Erich > > >