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[76.182.105.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z23sm7907745yhj.3.2011.10.29.04.28.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3SW07s6vDGz2CG4g for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:24 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20111029072824.76540c54@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201110282227.p9SMR3HY075510@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20111028175401.17906e52@scorpio> <201110282227.p9SMR3HY075510@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:28:29 -0000 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and > denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on > the matter -- e.g. "anyone offering such products should be to some > degree held legally responsible to their worth" -- is a fascist > mind-set. You 'know better' than anybody else, what is 'right' _for_ > them. > > BTW, I'd _love_ to see Microsoft "held legally respnsible" for _their_ > product shortcomings. They'd be out of business in a week at the > outside. Once again your argument is pathetic. Microsoft has been held legally responsible by laws written to curtail the robber barons (railroad & oil) of the 19 and early 20th century.) Of course the EC, or is that the USSREC, strongly backed (pushed) by Opera, a maker of a web browser so pathetic that in two years a new upstart, "Chrome" actually has a larger market share, led a fight to curtail Microsoft's market share. This is Fascism at its best. A totally free and open market is the best way to insure the survival of the fittest. Of course socialists cannot survive in that environment and rush off to find ways of getting governments involved in protecting their turf. I have absolutely no problem with holding Microsoft legally responsible when they release a product with a bug or security flaw. However, this must be enforced across the board and against every entity that releases software irregardless of its price. It should probably even include "port maintainers" who release defective ports. Lets be honest, if that is even possible for a socialist like yourself, that if you want to go down that road then lets go -- all the way. Microsoft's very existence depends on its ability to create an operating system that allows users to fully use programming and devices that they choose to deploy. If they cannot achieve that goal then they die, or else have a market share equivalent to FreeBSD, virtually undetectable. Microsoft has done a fairly good job of that. FreeBSD, an the other non-windows operating systems, have not achieved that goal although a few forward thinking developers like those associated with Ubuntu have made huge strides in that direction. When it comes to technological advances, FreeBSD is at the bottom of the list. It is there primarily because of people who are simply willing to accept inferiority as the norm. I know I piss people off by my style of writing. I am just not the sort of person, a socialist primarily, who bends over and takes it up the ass everyday rather than say "ENOUGH, lets fix this friggin mess." You cannot even get a decent "N - protocol" wireless device, or even a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the rest of the world has had working solutions for 5 years. What the hell are they waiting for -- the second coming of the invisible man in the sky? Friggin PATHETIC. However, our esteemed leadership has managed to bump the version numbers from at least 6 to the soon to be 9 and we still have no working solution for an easy method of securing and installing printer drivers, or any drivers for that matter. Having to modify obscure system files and settings to get a simple sound card to work is always a PLUS. Pathetically enough, there are users who do actually feel that way. Microsoft sells it products for money -- in some cases a lot of money. FreeBSD and the open-source community as a whole (hole?) gives it away. Yet Microsoft controls over 90% of the home market. That alone proves my point. You cannot crate an inferior product and expect the general population to use it simply because you give it away? This discussion has gone on long enough and I am already bored by it. There are some posters like Poly who, while I am aware of his deeply rooted socialist concepts does actually raise some really useful ideas and actually to some degree attempts to qualify them. At the very least, he is willing to discuss them -- something extremely rare in this arena. Then there are posters like Chad who simply spews the company line -- Microsoft is bad, we are good, the corporations owe us, bla bla bla. You cannot hold an intelligent conversation with them because their mind is closed. I know that as would anyone who reads this forum with an open mind. Then Robert, there is you. A perfect example of a large majority of users here who would rather bend over every day and smile as it is rammed up your ass rather than scream, ENOUGH ALL READY -- LETS FIX THIS FRIGGIN MESS NOW!. You Robert are the reason that FreeBSD and to a large extent other non-windows OSs are trailing the pack. You have been brain washed to believe that inferiority is the norm and to accept it. Like a good little socialist you have fallen in line. The problem with that philosophy Robert is if you are not the lead dog, the view never changes. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html