From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jul 3 16:49:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D106214DEA for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18353.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.33]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14717; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA44920; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:47:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:47:00 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Janie Dykes Cc: Wes Peters , "G. Adam Stanislav" , Bill Fumerola , haodongpan@netease.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: how to start to be a hacker? Message-ID: <19990703194700.A44583@mad> References: <377DB95C.448E4227@softweyr.com> <19990703113140.B220@whizkidtech.net> <377E4C45.522F3E78@softweyr.com> <377E71F6.8877ED47@pangeatech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <377E71F6.8877ED47@pangeatech.com>; from Janie Dykes on Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 01:26:30PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 01:26:30PM -0700, Janie Dykes wrote: > > you make excellent points. For the most part, the novice/average > person, believes that hackers are malicious, destructive individuals. A > huge number of computer users are misled and misinformed about the true > definition of the term 'hacker'. This is unfortunate - if those people I don't know. I'm not sure that's so true anymore as it once was. I've been bugged before by kids (hehe, from my peer group, that is) wanting to know what the best thing I'd ever done was. After giving some answer about some really insiduous batch files I'd written for DOS, I was rather disappointed to find-out they meant "what was the most illegal thing you've ever done". I didn't really give an answer to that, but I think many hackers have broken into a system or done something similar at some time (probably fewer of the younger ones since wide availability of real operating systems helps on this ticket). Not to let this become a passage of right or anything. A hacker, of course, is not going to concern themselves with what a hacker is, but others might. The tone of this thread seems to have been set by esr's little p/r definition of hacker. I'd like to declare at this time that a hacker is someone who sends me money in the mail. Upon these people I will bestow the title hacker. Anyways, like I said: I'm not sure your description of the average person's definition of "hacker" is so true anymore. The average person's definition is probably a little more true than esr's, if not nearly as articulate. PS: don't worry, you aren't expected to send much money these days anymore. PSS: Sending cash in the mail is illegal, don't do it. Canadian or American money orders only, please. > could spend some time reading the brilliant posts to this list, they > might realize that we are not all 16 year olds, hiding behind the glow Heh. Despite the -list name, this whole thread belongs on -chat. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message