From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 17 19:07:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AD4330CB2 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from fedex2.jetcafe.org (fedex2.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fedex2.jetcafe.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49nF1S0Nq5z4LTb for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bigus.dream-tech.com (bigus.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.7]) by fedex2.jetcafe.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 05HJ6oOZ011116 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:06:50 -0700 From: Dave Hayes To: Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Openness vs. Comfort Message-ID: <20200617120650.56b35374@bigus.dream-tech.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 ( out of 6) ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin version 3.4.4-jetcafeglobal X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49nF1S0Nq5z4LTb X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dave@jetcafe.org designates 205.147.26.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dave@jetcafe.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.931]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.979]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[jetcafe.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.14)[-0.139]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7397, ipnet:205.147.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:07:09 -0000 On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:37:42 +0200 Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com> wrote: > My sole purpose was to provide you with an insight of how FreeBSD and > its community could be perceived by an outsider in 2020. I would be careful about confusing a perception of the community with the actual position of the community in general. As the number in a community grows large, human genetic diversity being what it is, you begin to include people who are much more vocal about specific issues than the average community member. If the average community member does not feel the need to be vocal, this tends to create a perceptual illusion where the worldviews of the vocal seem to be the worldviews of the community. This is often not the case. > It means FreeBSD imposes on its new users a tremendous cost - a cost > which is incurred only ONCE for each Linux distribution for the benefit > of all its users. FreeBSD, like any complex system, requires that one devote effort to learning. In my experience it has never been a system for the average human; rather it caters to the computer scientist (or IT professional). You can achieve some technical solutions in FreeBSD that you cannot achieve anywhere else. This is not to say that FreeBSD is without it's community problems or technical issues, but it is at least driven by mostly scientific (rather than profit) motives. This is one of my philosophical reasons for using it; note that this idea is glaringly not true with other, more popular, operating systems...Linux included. I sincerely hope you can solve your apparent issues and learn to enjoy this OS as I do. :) -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>>> *The opinions expressed above are entirely my own* <<<< Most anything that annoys you is a mirror.