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In message <435921F1.5E9050AD@networx.ch>, Andre Oppermann writes:
>> >IMO it's this:
>> >
>> > Uptime is the time the operating was available to present it's common
>> > services to userland.  That excludes any suspend and ddb times.  Single
>> > user mode however counts because the OS was servicing userland even if
>> > there was only one user.  Uptime is represented in SI seconds.
>> 
>> I can live with this definition.
>> 
>> So now we just need to be able to reliably measure the "not-uptime".
>
>Umm...  Whenever the onesec tick is not incrementing the uptime (and
>monotonic) counter.  Which conviniently already is the case when OS is
>suspended or in DDB.

Uhm, yes.  Only...

How do we measure the time our clock does _not_ tick ?

We need to use another clock for that.

The RTC comes to mind, but it's precision leaves a lot to be
desired.

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