From owner-freebsd-current Wed Dec 15 20:14:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from phnxpop1.phnx.uswest.net (phnxpop1.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CE1815392 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:14:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abed@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 28701 invoked by alias); 16 Dec 1999 04:13:52 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-current@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 27094 invoked by uid 0); 16 Dec 1999 04:12:58 -0000 Received: from vdslg129.phnx.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.188.129) by phnxpop1.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 04:12:58 -0000 Message-ID: <385868DB.84722BB2@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:21:47 -0700 From: Alex Bedworth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Wilko Bulte , Mark Newton , Peter Jeremy , Donn Miller , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle? References: <2177.945155945@zippy.cdrom.com> <3855F364.E66EC87B@cvzoom.net> <99Dec15.073843est.40325@border.alcanet.com.au> <19991215083352.B3500@internode.com.au> <19991215000600.C77327@yedi.iaf.nl> <3857D101.2AF01952@newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daniel brings up a good point about SMIT (I don't know about SAM, not being a HP geek :) One helpful feature of SMIT/smitty is that it allows you to display the command that you are about to run. It also saves a history of its session in $HOME/smit.log, which can be used later to repeat actions taken, just a little better than script(1) ;-) For administration, this capability is VERY nice. I don't administer systems, but, occasionally, I have to install packages on a number of systems. Being able to see what 'goes on under the covers' is very helpful - especially if you're doing it for the first time, or are a 'casual' user, sometimes administrator. Having used LINUX since around '92, I am in love with FreeBSD's use of /usr/ports/*. Simply being able to type 'make install' in a port directory, and having everything magically installed is wonderful. If the point of this thread is for the basic 'sysinstall', leave the thing as it is. It works great. If [collective] we want to create an administrative tool, then I, as a user, would want for whatever tool that is to provide me with the information I need to create an action via script, or whatever. Let me see what command is being run, or at least give me the ability to view it. I also want to be able to copy/paste the command in its entirety to a script for use later. Just .02 from a user. Keep up the good work! "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > This does, however, have all the risks of building yet another SMIT or > > SAM. :-( Neither attempt at making Unix sysadm 'user-friendly' makes > > me want to cheer. > > Actually, I very much like both SMIT (in it's 4.x incarnation) and SAM. > Sure, I'll complain loudly if that was the _only_ way of doing it, but > neither of these tools precludes you from cli and file-editing, nor > would we have to. > > -- > Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) > who is as social as a wampas > > dcs@newsguy.com > dcs@freebsd.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- The only thing to do with good advice is pass it on. It is never any use to oneself. -- Oscar Wilde To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message