From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Apr 24 1:58:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED62937B440; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f3O8wHk63611; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Nik Clayton" Cc: "Szilveszter Adam" , Subject: RE: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home and from work Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:58:17 -0700 Message-ID: <006601c0cc9c$b3f4c020$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20010423222741.B60363@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Nik, The topic of freebsd.org being open for e-mail submissions is not a technical question and answer. It is a _political_ question and answer and is crying out for a SIMPLE policy statement to clear the air. But, I'm CERTAINLY NOT going to make policy for a machine that I don't even admin. The administrators of freebsd.org have not posted thing one as to their intentions, there's no way of knowing if they are even aware that the reverse DNS filter is on at all. If they had put this into the webpage IN THE FIRST PLACE then it would have not only made their intentions completely clear, but it would have also signaled that yes, they are even AWARE that there's a problem at all. I did the best that I could with what material I had at my disposal, which was _nothing_ other than a bunch of mailing list speculation, and the purely speculative assumption on my part that yes, the freebsd.org admins did know what they are doing when they installed the filter. But, there's absolutely no way of knowing if my speculative assumption is even correct, until it gets posted on the webpage, that is. For all I know the list admin wasn't even aware there was a problem and they are in the process of lifting the reverse DNS filter right this minute. Now, your criticizing my submission because I'm _expecting_ that it will be rewritten? This is absolutly rediculous. Maybe I'm missing it, but nowhere on any of the http://www.freebsd.org webpages that deal with the mailing lists is a word given that a "valid DNS entry" for hosts sending mail is a requirement for subscribing to the list. Until such time as someone acts on this PR by modifying the webpage/pages, there is absolutely no way to determine the intent of the listserver managers here. I certainly think it's reasonable to expect that they will have something to say about this too so how could I possibly write an entry that wouldn't be rewritten? Note that I DIDN'T SUBMIT THE PR and I don't know why your complaining to me about it's title. Your statement of: "To be honest, a PR that said "The FAQ really should warn people that any host they send mail from must have valid DNS entries" is fine with me. Now, can we please put this on the webpages dealing with the mailing lists so that: a) It's CLEARLY defined as policy and b) New subscribers know about this policy in advance and so if their mail gets bounced when they attempt to subscribe they aren't pissed about it and wasting bandwidth complaining about it Thanks! Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Nik Clayton >Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 2:28 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Szilveszter Adam; freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home >and from work > > >On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 04:24:01AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> No, I'm writing a FAQ _submission_ which is different than an entry. >> This implies that whoever the FAQ maintainer is, that person is >> free to completely munge my entry beyond all recognition, and I >expect that. > >Submissions that can be read and cut-pasted into the FAQ will generally >be acted on much faster than those that require extensive rewriting. > >To be honest, a PR that said "The FAQ really should warn people that any >host they send mail from must have valid DNS entries" is just as useful >and the current one. > >N >-- >FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ >FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ > > --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message