From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 6 10:44:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3297537B403 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 14972 invoked by uid 100); 6 Jun 2001 17:44:50 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15134.27666.250178.828032@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:44:50 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: j mckitrick , Konstantinos Konstantinidis , "Pedro F. Giffuni" Subject: Re: BSD direction/Damonnews article In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010605215604.053fea90@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010605134751.00a9fd90@localhost> <20010604200851.A65559@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3B1BE69C.FD401663@pitt.edu> <20010605115941.B83419@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3B1D2BFB.B0256B6@pitt.edu> <3B1D2D30.E122644A@duth.gr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010605215604.053fea90@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass types: > At 02:06 PM 6/5/2001, j mckitrick wrote: > >However, there will be needs that will not be filled quickly enough by these > >kinds of programmers, and there will be projects that none of them want to > >do. So, there will remain a market for programmers-for-hire to fill that > >need. > In short, programmers will be reduced to doing grunt work and dirty work > at low pay. All true, if you define "grunt work" as "more than 30% time spent doing things you don't want to do" and "low pay" as "less than Gates and Ellison make". Which pretty much describes the state of writing software for a living whether the GPL exists or not. Those interested in a more level-headed look at the salaries of engineers and programmers might want to check out Philip Greenspun's Career Guide . Philip managed to break out of the gruntwork for low pay model with software he gave away, at least until he let professional managers run the company. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message