From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 24 10:52:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B0816A469 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:52:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from guardian.elvandar.org (evilcoder.xs4all.nl [195.64.94.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7627813C459 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:52:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: by guardian.elvandar.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 33A087EDD78; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:53:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:53:41 +0100 From: Remko Lodder To: Yuri Message-ID: <20071124015341.GB80926@elvandar.org> References: <200711222330.lAMNU34J096787@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200711222330.lAMNU34J096787@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/118106: cdecord from systools/cdrtools should be recommended toburn CDs with all cd-writers, not only SCSI ones X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:52:31 -0000 On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 11:30:03PM +0000, Yuri wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/118106; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Yuri > To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org > Cc: yuri@tsoft.com > Subject: Re: docs/118106: cdecord from systools/cdrtools should be recommended toburn CDs with all cd-writers, not only SCSI ones > Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:27:18 -0800 > > Remco, Yuri, > > My rationale was that it will probably take a long time to fix burncd. Such PRs > are closed very slowly. That might be your opinion indeed, if it takes too long for you, please feel free to submit patches or help us getting those improvements in, then but only then it can speed up, please keep in mind that we are all volunteers and that we also have different things to do beyond looking into bug reports all day ("sad but true") > > And there is a working utility that can be used by users. > > So if new users will try following handbook they will fail for sure. Why not > have cdrecord recommended to users so that they aren't exposed to bugs? And > still fix burncd when possible. You are incorrect; they will not fail for surei some combinations might not work properly, and people that face those issues are invited to report their problems. Nobody is helped when we push an alternative package that is known by most people already (as a matter of fact it's already mentioned on the page so I think that people will have a look nevertheless for alternative packages if they want a quick fix, I really dont see a reason to push that even more in the handbook, while we want to drive a different road). > > OS should just work out of the box. Like Apple OS pretty much just works w/out > exposing users to any major problems. FreeBSD should be the same. > > Yuri OS should work as best as possible, we try very hard to achieve that with all our contributors and developers actively working on problems, though the difference between the Apple OS and the FreeBSD OS is that we are volunteers and engineers at Apple get payed to work on these things and have a justified business case to get this working. We dont have that, we mostly dont get payed for the things we do, we dont mind that, but since that is the case we cannot guarantee that everything will always work as people could/would expect. IF there are problems in some region and you would like to get that resolved consider funding an developer to make it happen. Thanks for using FreeBSD and considering the discussion though! -- /"\ Best regards, | remko@FreeBSD.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@EFnet X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News