From owner-cvs-all Tue Mar 13 13:33:39 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823D237B718; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:33:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2DLXWs06667; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:33:32 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103132133.f2DLXWs06667@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: "David O'Brien" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:33:32 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c]) Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20010313071704.A74721@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20010313104930.C60817@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:49:30AM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13 Mar 2001, at 7:17, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:49:30AM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > That plus the fact that bikeshed@freebsd.org could be an alias for > > arch@freebsd.org. =P > > Largely because any discussion one does not care for these days is > immediately label a "bikeshed". People are *way* to quick to pull out > this label these days -- to the point of stifleing useful discussion. As a contributor, but a non-committer, I can attest to the misuse of the "bikeshed" Iabel. I had a concern and a problem I wanted to solve. After getting involved with the problem and coming up with a solution, a commiter told me this issue was at the bikeshed level and "I can't be bothered with this". That was very discouraging, patronizing, and demoralizin. I'd rather the committer not get involved at all. Lack of follow through is not very nice. But labelling a concern as trivial and not "worth my time". It's another sad case where those "higher" up in the chain have forgotten what it's like to be "lower" down. Just because one is not interested in something. that's hardly a reason to attempt to discourage others from taking action. Objections or suggestions with technical merit are one thing. Being above a problem is something entirely different. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message