From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 22 3:25:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3555037B405 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f9MAPHl50614 ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:25:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id MAA31917 ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:25:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:25:17 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brett Glass Cc: Salvo Bartolotta , Terry Lambert , Elden Fenison , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Religions (was Re: helping victims of terror) Message-ID: <20011022122517.D28419@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Brett Glass , Salvo Bartolotta , Terry Lambert , Elden Fenison , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <1003617187.3bd1fba3d31ff@webmail.neomedia.it> <4.3.2.7.2.20011020213112.0489f2f0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011020213112.0489f2f0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 09:38:14PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass said on Oct 20, 2001 at 21:38:14: > At 04:33 PM 10/20/2001, Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > > >I now gather that, at a doctrinal level, there exists no "moderate" Islam at > >all. > > You are correct. In fact, according to Islamic law and doctrine, the > creation or even the advocacy of a "moderate" Islam is itself punishable > by immoderate measures (i.e. death). That hasn't stopped people from trying. Read about Sufi Islam, for example. And Turkey is one country which has tried very hard to have a "moderate" Islamic face, with the result that many of the more hardline states cordially dislike it. Christian states were equally barbaric a few hundred years ago. If they aren't today, it's because religion (apart from a ritual invoking of God's name) has ceased to be important to most people; more importantly, the clergy are no longer the ones who wield power, and can't tell people what to do. And as mails on this list have shown, there are still plenty of Christians today who will not accept that a single word of the Bible can be wrong. Was it these rabid Muslims who bombed all those abortion clinics not so long ago? I didn't think so. - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message