From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 22 23:42:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DE6BD1D for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 23:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 20pmail.ess.barracuda.com (20pmail.ess.barracuda.com [64.235.154.232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D418190F for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 23:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Opium.Pharm.Guru (Opium.Pharm.Guru [162.243.227.187]) by mx1402.ess.rzc.cudaops.com; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 23:42:22 +0000 X-BESS-ID: 1393112541-321458-19892-181277-1 X-BESS-VER: 2.4.2-r1402191942 X-BESS-BRTS-Status: 1 X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-Watermark: 1393717340.19559@iIPYzecLXJjoNnHf24ejMA X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-From: lucius.rizzo@lucius.xxx X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.647, required 3, autolearn=not spam, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, DKIM_VALID -0.10, DKIM_VALID_AU -0.10, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.55) X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-IP-Protocol: IPv4 X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder: Found to be clean X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-ID: 8B72F40EBF.A9599 X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-Information: Please contact your admin for more information Received: from lucius.XxX (lucius.XxX [95.85.22.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by Opium.Pharm.Guru (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B72F40EBF; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:42:18 -0500 (EST) Authentication-Results: Opium.Pharm.Guru; dkim=pass reason="2048-bit key; unprotected key" header.d=lucius.xxx header.i=@lucius.xxx header.b=V6bPvjkN; dkim-adsp=pass Received: from Lucius.XxX (lrizzo@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lucius.XxX (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s1MNgGQI024507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 22 Feb 2014 23:42:16 GMT DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.0 lucius.XxX s1MNgGQI024507 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lucius.xxx; s=default; t=1393112536; bh=aBSmkjUYdBpJcXWResq0tlDNCvB1O7qFdBg6BiSq7to=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Sat,=2022=20Feb=202014=2023:42:15=20+0000|From:=20Lucius= 20Rizzo=20|To:=20Reko=20Turja=20|Cc:=20freebsd-stable@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20 Recommend=20FreeBSD=20VPS|References:=20=0D=0A=20<5303B8F3.80907 09@vangyzen.net>=0D=0A=20<5303E549.8020106@bluerosetech.com>=0D=0A =20=0D=0A=20<98B6A42D-9A 63-4E59-BEEB-C82B497B4AA1@bway.net>=0D=0A=20<20140219215226.GA4051 @lucius.XxX>=0D=0A=20| In-Reply-To:=20; b=V6bPvjkNaKX1aqpDICXHVE28b2eB5JzXkebjpWY/cYFDfwGD6uwihADdzeLFXwgXa LBhGsA6Lyill7U+kPqsder4Tx60BQy6WgYqueQhdO95rPGMTPw1ZvJG6gI3UhXxfBt 4ccdODDMemdO7+KZu+Y/D+JRnQXevl29pUfjILVajkofix0tR9mbe+6EBET1CW1tTU RdATi6XA86CNZujYyYJYlZJpEEuozJ+gU+E7RRn2ln7zGWYlAZnpp7GzaPsovfxoZ+ 7NgqxgsICSdIWVq5dkXhurViGAyhvsu+oYMP3CZy5F1Gk7kgiiE0wR0jaVd1OYgqq4 mp6IVmB4UekOA== Received: (from lrizzo@localhost) by Lucius.XxX (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) id s1MNgFK1024506; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 23:42:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: Lucius.XxX: lrizzo set sender to Lucius.Rizzo@Lucius.XxX using -f Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 23:42:15 +0000 From: Lucius Rizzo To: Reko Turja Subject: Re: Recommend FreeBSD VPS Message-ID: <20140222234215.GA24425@lucius.XxX> References: <5303B8F3.8090709@vangyzen.net> <5303E549.8020106@bluerosetech.com> <98B6A42D-9A63-4E59-BEEB-C82B497B4AA1@bway.net> <20140219215226.GA4051@lucius.XxX> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: T.gT Consulting - http://t.gt X-Homepage: http://www.Say.Si User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) X-PWhois-Status: No originator identified Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 23:42:40 -0000 * Reko Turja [2014-02-20 15:15]: > From: Lucius Rizzo > >* Charles Sprickman [2014-02-19 15:53]: > > >>Be aware of who your neighbors are if your VPS needs to send email, > >>or if you feel icky about getting a cheap VPS by moving into a shady > >>neighborhood. > > I've been shopping for new VM/Co-lo for our hobbyist/arts/small business > server and RootBSD seems to fit the bill exactly with their pricing and > options. Does anyone have experience how tight shipo they are running with > regards to spamming etc? Of course, having Hetzner and OVH supply the > spamming demand here in Europe, other providers might be spared altogether > ;) > > >However, running a MTA (Or the entire mail/web) infrastructure is not an > >easy endeavor. Nor is it always done right. Having newbs delve into > >this world - past the SEO blogging wordpress spam, will just mean that... > > //rant heh..true. > Someone once said that real world is complicated and that makes email > servers automatically complicated too. In many cases it seems that people > automatically qualify as smtp and DNS admin once they can install some > flavor of desktop linux on their personal machines. This is my personal pet > peeve, people sending mail with headers telling that sender is > xxx@myhosteddomain.whatever. You can't these days just forward messages with > sender info kept intact, as modern spam and bounce prevention means that > some random guy in internet can't sign the mails on our behalf... Well, this is one of the reasons why I like DKIM (via OpenDKIM) to sign outgoing email. IMO its a slightly better way than to sign outgoing email with gpg. Plus SPF records. However, with the proliferation of Google Apps, Office 365 etc, many a times most people do not run their own mail infrastructure. This has been a good thing in a way. -- | _o _ |_)o_ _ _ |_|_|(_||_|_> | \|/_/_(_) - Lucius.Tel -------------------------------------- ++ Performance: ++ ++ A statement of the speed at which a computer system works. Or ++ ++ rather, might work under certain circumstances. Or was rumored ++ ++ to be working over in Jersey about a month ago. ++