From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Apr 11 8: 7:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE3737BA69 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:07:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14259 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:07:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA07960 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:07:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5EB37B9D8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA33450; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:06:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200004111506.IAA33450@apollo.backplane.com> To: Michael Schuster - TSC SunOS Germany Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh References: <38F2D225.1BABE12C@germany.sun.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Kris Kennaway wrote: : :> The perception of new users is really a very big factor here - people who :> spend any time listening to newbie comments (as opposed to just talking :> about their 20-year old UNIX habits and how they're too old to change) :> will know how much we Lose here when they're used to a system (Linux) with :> a "friendly" default shell. : :I think there's a big difference between a default shell (read "for :non-root users") and root's shell. I see no technical reason (and if there :is, it needs to be amended) to not keep these two seperate. : :IMO, changing the root shell to anything but /bin/sh (esp. something as :incompatible as *csh) is a bad move. There's just too much that depends on :this. : :> Kris : :cheers :Michael :-- :Michael.Schuster@germany.sun.com Changing the root shell works just fine. I've used tcsh as my root shell (here and at BEST) for years without any problems. My only issue is basically that I don't see any purpose to replacing the /bin/csh binary, and there are many pitfalls (like people beginning to write #!/bin/csh scripts that assume tcsh extensions). Just have both, and if a few people think it wastes too much space well too bad, they can delete one or the other. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message