From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 23:18:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442EF3CCF01 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 23:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd29.google.com (mail-io1-xd29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYHW34vKKz3Y9L for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 23:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd29.google.com with SMTP id 4so3313478ion.13 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:18:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ujoc3lwISrbL6ObU2ytGetU+GDMBS5YyCFGeHDRoN3w=; b=Ev3AWo+pZyqQ//z2gF6hEa4acqx+gibA3ZtnK7zMAPaa+Kr8+wAazNSyyTLmbffNUj fTnKdaml2FKhtMtgSXKa71XS+KzPX0smtCJRxi4xX3wzC1LcwjWwT7jSK8/4rv0jrz8V X3gF96n2tG/W7JO9mtON5CUSE7+1aVnq98+8vc0saykz5uE/FtKqhd6zZdMvB1FTDnFo /tft/CsLqwYsa4mOaencYCedeiPuZNBR7a8BdgrxtMME0okL5GuqppBz3HL1lpnPxj5Q hRXirng9v2Xvubm4ynbRKInA3/gzU7FQTaXlr4XeYDZe8nhslgd1JOUPLwBWqbASopiw K06Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ujoc3lwISrbL6ObU2ytGetU+GDMBS5YyCFGeHDRoN3w=; b=e0PtV8okLGN1Ob1npeJ1LZg6IgW3MWP6qn0GZBIj7h/0H46+Sb7S71um+jzYRj74dT 7VHY31UGT+6MCo9qSNv8x4Feo0LsG77aGQbC4h1jUlVMAoGFfw3VWW56AVEbvpoNMMPK CLjSfaJ3jt1e8t8w7CGi+B/0CJdbHFpyHlwgcv3NOy+XPFJAquoFf9N3a7CuBPq8zdxz jCxUnSrQSg3ElplgjeLcPbAUujIE564nHoCxycS96Tuz8os/GUKGXBDDrkjsjzJGDrOY aDtImRJeEsmJinB12HWu8WBRt8z3nSeUzKIDSkP/AvmLG0bu3FPB8rVXeC1aphBIbnZt 1SgQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530BpP8z/ogdCL3NQGFNB0XdxTBZT0opQfG8uwiAMzjX0NsB+rYG dpy3pj7jfUoOKPoDjoWY9JfaK+34+UfqZg7r8uk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyTmKEeiLmaP6fmPVjcu8lxCDqhdFtlF+/vBT2IBDYjN5CEPlGsMXqpcsWh72Hg/EqXDL7stWspX0Ielru6aBM= X-Received: by 2002:a02:c789:: with SMTP id n9mr4536701jao.40.1598051886708; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:18:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> <19c75b4f-3c2d-6ca4-f622-a915eb9dc7ce@holgerdanske.com> In-Reply-To: <19c75b4f-3c2d-6ca4-f622-a915eb9dc7ce@holgerdanske.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: David Christensen Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYHW34vKKz3Y9L X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Ev3AWo+p; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.42 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.42)[-0.424]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 23:18:09 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:34 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-21 13:13, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:43 PM David Christensen < > dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> > > wrote: > > >> Yes, I am serious. Time equals money. Waste another 5 hours of your > >> time if do not believe me. Repeat until you do. > >> > > > > Thank you for pointing out what is wrong with certain parts of the > industry > > (almost always found in organizations that have more money then common > > sense)... throw money at a problem instead of *ACTUALLY* understanding > and > > fixing it right... news for you not everyone is made out of money... and > > even if I was it would take longer than 5 hours to find a suitable > machine, > > buy it, have it shipped, etc. > > I believe the actual problem is that the software requires an MS-DOS 7 > computer and you do not own one. > Buying a new/used computer is simply not worth it; perhaps you missed the fact there is *NO* data I need to recover from the drive. I only want to revive the drive it self in order to save a trip to the store which would itself take 5 hours. (I refuse to buy hardware mail order). If I do end up going to the store I will be buying a drive for around $50 that is twice the capacity of the one I am attempting to unbrick. To repeat: I need a MS-DOS7 machine for likely no more than 10 mins to revive a SSD and that's IT! The only reason I need DOS7 at all is the drive's firmware can only be repaired/upgraded with the above program. Once I do that I don't need MS-DOS7 for anything. Let's add something else is the program does not work on anything newer than XP thus it is unlikely installing something newer (something that can only be done once I repair the drive) on the machine (the one I am currently writing this reply on BTW) will also work (read catch-22, since the goal is to make my current FreeBSD machine dual boot with the repaired drive). > > I believe that buying an MS-DOS 7 computer is how to fix the problem > right, where "right" is defined as lowest total cost of ownership (TCO), > taking into account the monetary value of time. > > > Windows XP computers are readily available for under US$100 on eBay, > Craig's List, recycling companies, etc.. > Spend $100 to fix a $30 drive (sounds really smart to me!) and then never use the thing I spent $100 on ever again!.... And yes I know where to buy a used machine *IF* that was the right answer. > > If you have more time than money, look for garage sales and/or ask > around for people who have old Windows XP computers they want to get rid > of. > I would be spending several hundred in time *AND* money if I took any part of your advice and for what to revive a $30 drive that may or may not be revival.. and you call me insane??!?! -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org