From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 24 04:27:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57F516A4CF for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6095543D46 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 04:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon.drews@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so257695rnk for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:27:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=tJU90Aa5iTVpYmeoo/c5FZLt1BanMcLKzpefEYTeDxF0T71BZ4R+WR0DrjjsS+e1Ub4Nj+tuA9aDBi54tqGrfohj6vhpEcv1iEIgS6i38O6d5VVuMegoxQe+3tvMKTxI1ikrp+Gb7BPsV3BMsiXVbdiP5BwgJzomz6xL7A2Xres= Received: by 10.38.15.13 with SMTP id 13mr483884rno; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.89.32 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8cb27cbf04102321272a2cd9f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:27:10 -0600 From: Jon Drews To: estover@olc.edu In-Reply-To: <1098590132.32627.20.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1098590132.32627.20.camel@red> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RE.Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon Drews List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 04:27:11 -0000 More information here Ed and others. I actually came across the Microsoft site that offered gcc for it's UNIX tools. I couldn't believe it when I saw it: Microsoft uses open source, despite critical stance http://iwsun4.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/06/27/010627hnmsfree.html By Matt Berger June 27, 2001 12:10 pm PT DESPITE MICROSOFT'S AGGRESSIVE criticism of the open-source movement -- most notably one of its flagship software licences, the GNU General Public License -- the company has quietly been publishing source code under that license for one of its own products for the past two years... ...Microsoft distributes a product called Interix, which is used by customers to port Unix applications to its Windows operating systems. Interix includes a software compiler called the GCC (GNU Compiler Collection), a product first developed by Free Software Foundation founder Richard Stallman that is covered by the General Public License (GPL). -------------------------- Here is the actual site: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/productinfo/overview/default.asp EXCERPT: UNIX on Windows The Interix subsystem technology provides a universal environment that can run both Windows and UNIX applications on a single system. Through Interix, you can reduce development time while making use of existing employee skill sets. Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 also includes more than 300 UNIX utilities and tools that behave as they would on UNIX systems, plus a software development kit (SDK) that supports more than 1,900 UNIX APIs and migration tools, including make, rcs, yacc, lex, cc, c89, nm, strip, gbd, as well as the gcc, g++, and g77 compilers. On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:55:32 -0600, Ed Stover wrote: > The person i'm trying > to convince is a hardcore MS fan so i need real evidence of why BSD is > better than MS products in server environments. So if FreeBSD and Open Source are unworthy replacements for Windows how come all these tools are being sold by them?