From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 14:42:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A08577DB1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3L2D1FXdz3DN0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3L2B3k5WzDsbk for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:42:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616337746; bh=rvFYvFzFIlMbugVdSKMugrZNmvufL1xrRkzuXd2cIRY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=V0NQ3ZvsyyrK8S1dU7Z9MipxRpQ+aMbFfxtF4pj22Ao8wLbLsC27qte4K6EWJZNH+ +Wx4MTuzFQVvsejwC6gc1ZKXOBANagBva8MAQ5DEzA5X+dB0MKFLHIMhjRYyy8eeBv P2gf7Q2mtgwWZd3CyYSNLZ1Q7yitVDOpxBixiPZU= X-Riseup-User-ID: D657834EAFC5DD1399F4390FCB215B55CBD8681F75CCE2A9A94210EBEF4F9F95 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3L2B0c7Gz5wFZ for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:42:14 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321154214.6912a5ac@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210321070418.1adf443f8052ea8fd0f57c26@gmail.com> References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <20210321070418.1adf443f8052ea8fd0f57c26@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3L2D1FXdz3DN0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=V0NQ3Zvs; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:42:29 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:04:18 -0600, Duke Normandin wrote: >On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) >Fongaboo wrote: > >[snip] > >> I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and >> is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just >> completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, >> Dovecot, Postfixadmin & Roundcube. >> >> If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. >> I'm willing to share my walkthroughs. > >[snip] > >I don't have your level of experience, but I agree with you! I just >installed the Debian-based distro antiX. Painless! There could be >others of course, but I haven't stumbled on them yet. ;) > >Now, I need to shrink my 1Tb partition to install FreeBSD. JFTR for the pros and cons never consider a derivative of a major distro to be equivalent with the distro it is based upon. They are always two very different animals. The main pitfall of Linux is the missing standard. However, since almost all distros prefer the same approach for PID1, upstream of software provides what is needed for this approach and without doubts, upstream knows best how their software needs to be initialised by PID1, so distros tend to stop writing different run control scripts on their own. IOW by all the cons systemd does introduce, it also has got reasonable pros. Something that at first glance apparently is another step away from UNIX, from another point of view can bring back UNIX principles that were lost. It doesn't bring back UNIX to Linux, but gets back closer to the UNIX main idea. Be careful with thinking that something that appears to be more familiar is also closer to a wanted principle. I can't comment on antiX and I don't like systemd very much, but if Linux for what ever reason is a better choice for the needs of a user, it's wise to find out the rational behind steps into directions that appear unpleasant at first view and consider to get used to the supposed inconvenience. You are happy to install Linux without systemd, but you easily could become unhappy as soon as you want to get things done, that require some effort and help from a community or upstream. For Linux systemd is quasi a standard at the moment. It not necessarily does pay off to get rid of the disadvantages caused by systemd, since it might introduce other disadvantages by not using systemd.