From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 22 23:15:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E82106566B for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4F38FC17 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 543C88C083; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:59:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:59:05 -0500 From: Mark Linimon To: Gonzalo Nemmi Message-ID: <20090922225905.GC21416@lonesome.com> References: <20090921112657.GW95398@hoeg.nl> <19e9a5dc0909211728m159c1b50id00dec2b3f8110b0@mail.gmail.com> <20090922101329.K39832@ury.york.ac.uk> <200909221231.27713.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20090922174713.B39832@ury.york.ac.uk> <19e9a5dc0909221042l4f5a3e13p27776ee8bbc9713e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19e9a5dc0909221042l4f5a3e13p27776ee8bbc9713e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:28:24 +0000 Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Various problems seen in RC1 (was: Re: tmux(1) in base) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:15:10 -0000 On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 02:42:49PM -0300, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > I actually never opened a PR about atapicam because (as you can see) I > sent as much info as I had at that time and nobody seemed to care, so > I thought maybe that was something you guys knew and were working on, There are a tremendous number of bugs reported, both on the mailing lists and through GNATS: far more than our team of developers can handle. Assuming that "nobobdy seems to care" is a mis-assumption. It may mean that, or it may mean that nobody who was in a position to work on it that day saw it, or that if they were, they already had too many other things to work on. > and although I did file the proper PR, there's still no word about it, > so I though maybe opening another PR about atapicam made no sense. The mailing list traffic is so huge that people can't possibly keep copies of everything around. That's why we have the PR database in the first place :-) Now, I understand more than most that filing a PR doesn't necessarily guarantee any kind of response, but it really becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy if people don't do so. Since ~50 PRs arrive a day, and there are also bugs arriving on the mailing list, there's just no way to remember them all -- other than having them in some kind of searchable form. (As an aside, we've actually gotten better at helping users with PRs as they are filed in the past year. We are still working on ideas to get more commits out of the PRs that are analyzed, have patches, and so forth.) mcl