From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 21 17:46:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25440 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:46:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp1661.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25398; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17206; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:45:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Message-ID: <19980721204519.A15969@zappo> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:45:19 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Brett Glass , Bill/Carolyn Pechter Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Open Source Town Meeting" supports only one faction References: <199807211939.NAA15713@lariat.lariat.org> <199807212052.QAA08270@shell.monmouth.com> <199807212103.PAA17229@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199807212103.PAA17229@lariat.lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 03:03:16PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 03:03:16PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > > They even oppose the notion of "Open Source" software; see > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html Your comment is somewhat misleading... That reference is a specific attack on Eric Raymond's preferred set of lingo. I think the below-quote basically sums the reference: "The obvious meaning for ``open source'' is ``You can get the source code.'' This category is distinctly not the same as free software." I think most of us will agree with that. Especially those of us who have argued in the past that GNU software is not free software. On a related note, I'm not sure what I think of their Free Software Award, but if _someone_ has to win that, it sure would be cool (and probably a good thing in a grand universal-harmony sense) to see someone from the "BSD camp" win that. Isn't chairman of the award committee Peter Salus known to prefer BSD (sans advertising clause) license? > Contributing to the FSF discourages cooperation, as it openly disparages > all other forms of "open source" software (again, see the Web page cited > above). Try again. You could probably find some web page showing that the FSF disparages all other forms of "open source" software, but that is _definately_ not it. > >Can you imagine the screams if the Linux folks were told a part of the > >take was going to support the Freebsd or NetBSD project. > > Why shouldn't we scream just as loudly? Supporting FSF *is* supporting > Linux. Unfortunately, I think this is true. The problem, though, is that of all the _creditable_ organizations I can think of offhand, the FSF is the only one even close to supporting all free software. I trust esr to administer money quite a bit less than I trust rms, for example. -- This .sig is not innovative, witty, or profund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message